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we wouldnt know really. i feel horse racing is one of the most unfair sport in the world. Why? Well because it can quickly take away a superstar as fast as they arrive. Barbaro is an example, who knows what he could have done. Its been years since there was a triple crown winner. I can also say the same here in the philippines. So being a great horse also would mean you must have luck and good health. Horses that are fortunate enough to mature and show their grit are those that can be really considered the good ones. Barbaro was good but he remains and would always be a question mark in the history of horse racing. I wish Barbaro was still alive. I love the horse. But again its part of the sport.

Such a tragic loss, the day barbaro broke down. I was wondering if anyone else besides me, thinks that the false start had some thing to do with his break down? Unfortunatley he will only be a question mark in racing history. However,In a perfect world, Barbaro would have been King!!!!!!!!

I still think Daisey Cutter would have destroyed any horse at anytime at anywhere....she just never could find her way out of the 3D world, now thats a tragedy...ruffiano

I dont understand this infatuation with Barbaro.
His speed figures never came close to SECRATARIATS ,SEATTLE SLEW,MAN OF WAR.,CITATION.
SEATTLE SLEW WOULD HAVE EATEN BARBARO ALIVE.
I guess because of the tragedy BARBARO'S legend grows and his true ability is clouded by the sympathy people have for him.

Six ,two and even ...over and out

Actually rcknhrse Barbaro's ragozin sheets rating in the Kentucky Derby was better than Secretariat's and the 2nd best rating ever for a Kentucky Derby behind Big Brown's Derby who got the highest rating.

Anyways Seattle Slew is my greatest horse of all time.

And if I'm thinking right, Barbaro's winning margin in the Kentucky Derby was one of the largest since Assault in 1946.

There are so many great ones... Man o' War, Secretariat, Citation, Count Fleet may have joined their ranks if he weren't forced to retire early. Not to mention Kelso, Dr. Fager, Seattle Slew, etc. And the great mares: Ruffian, Personal Ensign, etc. I think it's impossible to really get a fair comparison between these horses because of how much the game has changed over the years. However, if I had to say just 1, it would be Man o' War.

Let us run with perseverance the race that is marked out for us.
-Heb 12:1

the best horse ever in my mind were
1 secratariat
2 seattle slew
3 man o war
4 cigar
5 curlin

1. Man O' War
2. Phar Lap
3. Secretariat

Ruffian

Folks I was lucky enough to go see Secreariat a The 1973 Arlington Invitational, righ after he won the Triple Crown. Best race horse of all time? Come on, there is no question. He was the real thing, as he walked by going to the paddock you knew that you would never see such horseflesh. We took tons of photos and has always been my best and most unforgetable day at the races. By the way he destroyed he field. Secretariat gets my vote, Gus

Alright yall got me, If I had to pick a horse that has proved itself I would have to say Curlin

Secretariat.

Won the TC with amazing ease, running all three races in a different manner. Some of his track records still stand, 36 years later. Just missed a track record when running five-wide all the way around due to extreme slop at Arlington, and with ease, hardly drew a deep breath. Set 2 world records, one of which still stands and could very well stand for 100 years or more. (2:24 in the Belmont, sickest athletic performance I've ever seen, in ANY sport)

Ran extremely well on turf AND dirt, and mud, and soft turf w/fog. No way of knowing, of course, but I'd say he'd have flown on synthetic, too. Hell, he'd have probably run well on cobblestones...

This is a difficult question to answer. However, Big Brown nor Barbaro should not even be mentioned in my opinion. I will try to list the best I have seen and break them down as much as possible

Spinter-Dance Smartly, TriTeamTri
Sprinter Filly-Meafara
Dirt-Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, Alysheeba, Bet Twice, Cryptoclearance, Unbridled, Black Tie Affair, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Alydar, Curlin, Silver Charm, AP Indy, Risen Star, Ferdinand, Gate Dancer, Nasr El Arab, Western Playboy, Personal Ensign, Ruffian, Winning Colors, Bayakoa

Turf Horses-John Henry, Lure, Awad, Pebbles, Perrault, Great Communicator, Gorella, Flawlessly, Hatoof, Estrapade, Manilla, Teleprompter, Mecke, Chester House, Miesque, Da Hoss, Steinlen, High Chapparal, Bucks Boy, Prized, Tikkanen

This list could go on for ages

I would have to say Swaps or Secretariat.

a wild charizmatic stubborn ball of fire trainers said it was like wrestling a bear jockeys said it was like being shot out of a catapult and the world watched as man o war destroyed the competition.

those are my top horses

Okay, Barbaro's times were nowhere near the greatest filly and mare AND greatest racehorse of all time: Ruffian! And Secretariat and Man O' War are the best colts. Honestly, Barbaro is a claimer compared to those three. He never did anything significant besides win the derby against a weak field. Then he broke down in the Preakness and everyone felt sooo sorry for him (i mean, i liked him a lot and felt bad, but...) and started calling him the greatest of all time when in reality his times and length margins were nowhere near a horse like Ruffian or Man O War's.

~*horsekrazee*~

My Great Hores of All Time
1. Man O' War Only beaten ONCE
2. Secretariat
3. War Admiral
4. Ruffian
5. Phar Lap
-Horses lend us the wings we lack.

possibly but think about all the good horses that have won the first two legs of the triple crown and lost the Belmont.

Kingston Town

I am going to name one of my baby's Daisey Cutter what a great horse on the game.. The needs to be real and real it will be.....

I think it was " Colin " 15 for 15 never beaten on the race track.,. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Colin_%281905%2...

I would put Secretariat not as the greatest horse but a champion horse. I believe the reason for my case is competition. There really wasn't any, some people say Sham or Forego but not at that grade. Secretariat had his faults in the loss with Onion but I would put Secretariat in the top 5. He was a special horse at the right time.

I believe my opinion only Dr Fager was perhaps the greatest in the 60's and comparing the early 70's. Due to him winning the mile in record time which heald for years, and second the UN Handicap in AC. Never running on grass before with extra weight is really a special horse.

No opinion on Barbaro due to his loss. People assume but 1 1/2 is a long race we seen it a million times With Alysheba, and Smarty Jones, Cannonero II and the Northern Dancer and plenty other horses.

Just my opinion :)

1.pharlap
2.man o'war
3.Secretariat
4.Citation
5. Ruffian

redterror riegns supreme .. best ever...

Sunday Silence.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

I don't think it's really fair to say that one certain horse was the best of all time. There have been some amazing horses throughout history. My favorite as of right now is Zenyatta. I can't help but root for that girl. She's got a lot of heart.

-Dizzle

The best 15 horses of all time;
Lord Outstanding
Sea the Stars
Phar Lap
Secretariat
Nijinsky 11
Riva Ridge
Sea Biscuit
Here Comes Thunder
Bernborough
Ribot
Nearco
Smarty Jones
Katy Lied (pictured)
Mahmoud
Mr Prospector
Nashua
Lohnro
Man O war
The Darley Arabian
Sir Ivor

Kingston 1884 brown colt by Spendthrift out of Kapanga by Victorious
Race Record, Kingston
Starts 138, Wins 89, Seconds 33 ,Thirds 12
Earnings $138,917.00

• Titles: Co-Champion 3 Year Old Colt 1887, Champion Older Male 1888-1890, Hall of Fame

From Wikipedia
"At three, he won 13 of his 18 starts. At four, he won 10 of 14. At five, he came home first 14 times in 15 tries. At six, he won nine of his ten starts. At seven, he started 21 times and won 15. He also set the record at 7 at the old Futurity course at Sheepshead Bay of 1:08 for six furlongs. At the age of eight, he won 13 of his 20 races. At nine, 9 out of 25, but in most of these 25 races he took home money. In his last year of racing, when he was 10 years old, he won 4 of his 9 starts against much younger horses.

Not a gelding, still he raced way past the age when intact horses are retired to stud. Many experts believe a stallion sours if he’s raced too long, but as a sire, Kingston was as good as he was a race horse. Two years after he went to stud he was already a leading sire. He led the American sire list in 1900 and 1910. Kingston died in Kentucky on December 6, 1912."

If my math is correct he was only out of the money four times out of 138 races from age 3 to 10. That is SEVEN years of solid racing. Also what would $138,917.00 in earnings back in the late 1880's into the 1890's translate into todays earnings?

close to 15 million i think maybe more . what a record that horse has ..

Post #20, page 1. Just about all the horses mentioned in this thread have their bio's on the 'Sires and Dams' thread if anyone wants to look them up.

Also check out "Carbine", Post #153 on page 4.
The bios reads in part, "Over half of the 65 Melbourne Cup winners from 1914 to 1978 were descendants of Carbine.[9] Statistics and contemporary assessments indicate that he was a dominant Antipodean racehorse of the 19th century, and he still ranks with such 20th-century Thoroughbreds as such as his descendants Nearco, Northern Dancer, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Ballymoss, Shergar, Arkle, Never Say Die, Mr. Prospector, Nasrullah, Nijinsky II (winner of the UK Triple Crown), Royal Palace, Fort Marcy, Better Loosen Up, Sir Ivor, Invasor, Phar Lap, Tulloch, Kingston Town[10] and Bernborough in terms of renown among turf historians."

Zenyatta
Secretariat
Big Brown (to me big brown ended as an undefeated horse)

IMO there's too many great horses of past and present to try and pick the best ever!!! Everyone has there favourites and mine is 'Sea The Stars!' I can't wait to see how his off-spring performs in the future!

great choice. would love to see her retire undefeated. two others you never hear mentioned, artax and kona gold. watched their breaders cup sprint on youtube several times. one of my all-time favorite races.

Clearly, for me, it's the grade horse that taught my daughters to ride. Frostbite, 1/4 thoroughbred, 1/4 quarter horse, 1/4 arab, 1/8 morgan, 1/8 mustang. Perfect rock hard feet, amazing personality, barefoot all day long on rocky trails up and down mountains and still gets back to the trailer with a spring in his step, does everything he can to keep us safe, will do anything we want if we can just figure out how to ask him. Think's he's a darned stud, at 15.5 hands, thinks he's the biggest baddest horse in the herd.

Oh I suppose you mean racehorses....

I'd have to go with Ruffian and Secretariat. But Zenyatta in the fillies department impresses the heck outta me, and I LOVE her style!

ARKLE

While agreeing with Dizzle and Frostbite I have to Quote:
"Eclipse first, the rest nowhere."
Lou

Never was there more excitement at Suffolk Downs, Flyingdaaka's old stomping grounds, when super horse Broad Brush came into town. Flyingdaaka's favorite horse, local legend Waquoit, would take him on and shock everyone from local legend track announcer Jim Hannon to the Federico family that owned and trained him. It was easily the loudest most exciting day ever at that track.
Waquoit would go on to racing in the national scene including the Breeders Cup Classic. A great horse. The best ever.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

Lord Outstanding wins in my view. Best horse ever!
Does she count?

In response to daaka best horse bahaha .. LONHRO AKA THE BLACK FLASH 2004 AUSTRALIAN CUP RUN IS SECOND TO NOTHING . Checked in the final 2 furlongs 3 times manages to get out and explode to a length win . Only the great lonhro has the BALLS to do this and he is just as good at stud if not better . One of australians leading sires at the moment should also be in the sheds

lonhro is wearing pink silks similar to red terrors original silks :) traveeling ok 4th on the fence finds some trouble around the final bend and the rest is history ... watch what happens to him at the final bend before his barn storming win. he was checked 2 times in the final stretch and blocked another time loosing momentum all 3 times but still finds the passion and heart to get over the line. A true champion in all aspects of horse racing ... breeding ,, racing ,,,son of the big 0 (octaganol ) father of denman a up and comer 3 year old..

best turf horse
track records late closer

the divas third melb cup win (history in the making)

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might and power caulfield cup and melbourne cup 1997 and cox plate 1998. led from start to finish in 3 o australias hardest races. love this tough front runner

lonhro vs sunline there battle at yalumba .. what a race turf queen verse the turf king

sunline 2 cox plates

For me the best racehorse of the times is Ribot.
I don't know why (there are lots of big racehorses!), but for me he is.
Probably because he was Italian, he was never beated, he did lots of tracks records, he beated the horse of the queen in UK...
He is great ^^
(sorry my english, I'm Italian °-^)

My top 13 (I couldnt narrow it down very far) in no particular order...
1. Zenyatta
2. Secretariat
3. Man o'War
4. Seabuscuit
5. Goldikova
6. Ruffian
7. Barbaro
8. Cigar
9. Curlin
10. Personal Ensign
11. Smarty Jones
12. Invasor
13. Giant's Causeway

No Sea the stars? Awesome horse.

Well one of my horses I bred on here is no slouch. When it comes to real horses my vote is for Secretariat. That horses heart was three times larger than most horses. I'm not talking just courage here, the heart was really that big in the horse. Big heart equals more blood pumping equals more oxygen equals winning horse.

If I had to go with a runner up I would go with Zenyatta.

WIND BLOWN..STRONG MATERIAL

In my mind Secretariat has never had an equal... Other than him I liked Sham. The underdog who constantly finished 2nd to Secretariat. When Secretariat set the still standing Kentucky Derby track record in 1973, Sham was just behind him and set the 2nd fastest record which also still stands today... Awesome horse that was simply outclassed by the very best.

~~~CalifOkie Stables~~~
~~~aka Thunder Valley~~~

Nobody comes close to Rick's Natural Star back in 96!!! To bad big red was 7 years under or it could of been a head bob match race.

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Best from my short memory is sea the stars. But I have been most impressed with the stories of Secretariat