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Hopefully issues like this have been addressed in the new version.
Fingers are crossed.

I hear you man. I agree 100%.

This looks like a attack on hrf and a negative thread. Steve I think this thread violates the hrf terms. Puddles get in here and do some editing of steves post.

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Steve your post is embarrassing to hrf. LMAO!

Thanks,i dont mind if my horses gets beat as that is racing,its just running almost 40sr less in a tournament is crazy.The horses should run at least close to there birth sr in a tournament otherwise what is the point of training with such misleading information.

stevic11

I think I've violated every aspect of article 6
I deserve a badge, an apple preferrably.

if he is a two yr old with a late peak age it will happen and its not an issue...

I have been involved in live racing a long time and have seen my share of horses that run lights out in training and then can run a jump in the race, irs not that uncommon.

Also, how many horses are bred each year with very high hopes (ratings) and turn out to be donleys so you just never know. Thats part of racing, granted the part that stinks, but a part for sure thats why we race em

JTW

Cant run a jump that is

read what i mean not what i type lol

JTW

Regarding your comments above.

Firstly this is not an attack on hrf just a concern that i think needs to be addressed.I mean what is the piont of training a horse or horses that give such false sr in training.Even if it is a 2year old if it peaks at say 4 years old then it would not be running close to 140sr in training in real life either would it.

Secondly,you made comments in the other post titled censorship about me making comments about enjoying the game but having no horses.It seems you need to get your facts right before opening your mouth.As i have 15 horses in training and have bred close to 150.I also noticed that you never replied after that.You seem to be trying to pick an argument with anyone who makes any kind of comment like i said in the post censorship get a life and get your facts right before talking to me as i am not interested in your stupid remarks.

Im also sure alot of other trainers are having the same problem with false sr and just wanted to air my views so if this upsets you get over it.

stevic11

This is the first negative thread since that censorship thread. Remarkably it comes from the anti negative community that complained that forums are to negative. Steve its common knowledge that horses perform poorly in tourneys vs training. Also its known that horses outperform in tourneys vs training. We also can see now that people who dislike negative threads will post negative threads themselves.

I understand horses perform better in training than in tournaments,but a sr of 40 is unrealistic.I know in real horse racing some horses may run better in training but not all of them.

The horse i am talking about has a birth sr of 129.9 runs the distance that it was entered in the tournament at around 135 to 142 sr.The horse is not inconsistant and likes the surface.but a sr of 90 in a tournament is unreal even in real racing.

As for me been negative once again i am just pointing this out as i feel it needs to be addressed.This is not a negative post but just raising an issue.

stevic11

Stev, i think JB started this out as a joke, poking fun at HRF and others who bash people who states their opinion.

sundown

Yes i know that we have spoken.Thanks anyway.

stevic11

lack of could that be the problem ??.....Stan

Whaley's Stables
Home to some of the World's Finest Gin
"At Least Temporarily"

I had one just like it.... She burns the track up in practice but falls on her face in tourney.. It just needs to mature a little.

~~~CalifOkie Stables~~~

No has courage and fairly consistant,i dont mind it getting beat as that is racing its just if you breed a say 130 sr horse read the performance report then train the horse to find its best surface and distance you would like the horse to perform somewhere near its ability.Fair enough they all run slower sr in tournaments we know this but if you are getting say 40 to 45sr difference then you arenot going to enter the 75 000 point tournaments as what is the point if you cannot judge how good the horse is.And if its because the 2 year olds run this way then you may as well increase its age to a 3 year old as training is useless to determine its true ability.

I think if a horse has a birth sr of whatever it should run close to that or there is no need for sr realy.

Anyway appreciate your opinion.

stevic11

was all it was I have not had one that did that,I have a 133.8 it ran good as a 2yr old but never ran it's SR till it was 3 but never as bad as what you are dealing with...Stan

Whaley's Stables
Home to some of the World's Finest Gin
"At Least Temporarily"

I know what your saying,just think the birth sr should be more realistic thats all or give us the tools to help the horse like blinkers,cheekpieces,tounge ties etc..

Like i said earlier i understand that horses run slower sr in tournaments than in training,but should not be so far out i feel.Because the idea of training your horse is to judge its ability and best possible surface and distance but if you are getting false information then it defeats the object.

stevic11

Thanks to all who pm me with advice and ideas i realy appreciated it and just wanted to sat thanks.

stevic11

I have a horse running in tourney right now that consistantly runs 10 points under it's SR in practice and has yet to lose a tourney.... I know it's a good problem to have but it's nerve racking. The rascal barely makes it into the BC and then wins... It's like he'll only run in that one race then it's just enough to win. I've thought about crossing his workouts up but I'm not going to change a thing until he loses...

~~~CalifOkie Stables~~~

Isnt that the race you want to win? lol .

Clunker .... I had a horse run a clunker in a final last night when I expected it to compete
for a win. 20sr lower than its prelims which were 1st's and 2nd's while using the same
training and jockey instructions and carrying 2lbs less than its prelims.

I chalked it up to that clunker they talk about in the performance report. Couldnt have been
me doing something wrong lol. Guess what im saying is that it happens. I'm kinda strange
in that I think it ads a bit of excitement to the game ... you prepare, you nurture, you train,
you are confident ... but your never quite sure lol.

Fun times, good luck all

Sam

agree completely ive got a few like that. I thought they did away with the real inconsistent ones when they changed the breeding of Midnite Lute and others but this is just as bad or even worse

jbcri09................. they should make a special Badge jus for You !!!

Ok and you can have the take it up the #%^ badge.

I ran CSN in a sslightly mor expensive race as she was running consistant 115-122 srs. 4 races ran a 97, 100, 109 and 111.
had she run like normal she would have made the final easy.

How come when I finally trust a horse to run a big tourny they turn to blues style for me?

this is one reason I will getting away for awhile. I was pming with someone about this same topic, and I said no one in here is a great trainer per say. All you do is exactly what you are doing steve, find the right distance and surface and just hope they do alright in the tourny. The way I like to play the game is find a horse that can run a few different distance, is good on a few different surfaces put them in what should be their right class and let them run.

The Life of a 129.9
by Ty Olds

Spend hours and hours everyday for months trying to find that one right distance, on the one right surface and the special time of year...practice, practice...run and rerun and rerun, different competition, different setups (get out quick, get our slow, etc) different weights. Then you think you find it, awesome lets try to find a race that suits all these variables that I practiced so hard to find....ok found it lets race...awesome I got 8th and my horse ran 4 clunkers in that tourny, weird must have no courage (retire?) nah keep running him until he peaks at age 4....ok lose, lose, lose...alright ready to peak, oops so are many of the other 4 year olds who were beating the crap out of me while we were 2 year olds. Hmmm now what to do, am I am bad trainer? am I impatient? Is it time to give up on this horse who practices like a shed horse? why so much difference in practice? Put him in a blue, dang to high SR? Put him in a red, well I dont like reds? Vet him-sucks to have to do that? Instas- well no one is gonna take a 3 or 4 year old horse who runs like crap and I just spent the money to have him finish 5th? If the practice races are not going to give us anything but peak performaces then why let us change their age...I expect to see what my horse can do at age 2, 3 and 4 when they are age 2, 3 and 4.

Steve this is why I say there are not awesome expert trainers, there are trainers who do just what you and I do, find the best suitable practice setup, throw them in a tourny to match those similar traits...if your horse does well you are an awesome trainer, if his skills dont transfer then you are not such a good trainer...lol FYI I am in group number 2. Maybe this will all get addressed but Steve this has been a big point of contention for me and probably the number one reason for my hiatus.

Imagine what real trainers and owners go through......u guys think this is frustrating? lol

Im still way too new to the game. I have no expectations. I think thats
the main reason I am having a hard time relating to the frustration. I see
Ruff has been here over two years. Ruff how do you cope so well ?

Ive watched real horse racing for years...I know that even in this game other trainers are going through the same frustrations as me....Not everything about this game is like real racing, but the way the horses run and the frustrations are very realistic......In every sport and game thee are top dogs, there is no difference here...You just have to learn the game ins and outs , talk to other trainers, and do your best...but believe me, I get frustrated, but its all part of this great sport

Go buy 40million points and then you will expect expectations. Then take that 40million points and go bred. After you done all that then you will be frustrated that your 130's are running 90's which will cause you to drop F bombs all over the threads.

That's why we love the HRF game and the Sport of Kings, because it's a challenge. No two horses are alike, no two races are alike.
Sure ,it's frustrating at times, but for every horse that disappoints, you'll find one that pleasantly surprises.
It happens in real racing and here, no difference.

But I do see Steve's point, 40 points is really frustrating.
Now stop all of the whining! LOL!

Just kidding, whine, complain, explain, whatever you want to call it, it's all good to me.

And I really thought I was the only one going to similar problems.
But I also have been involved in real life racing as a owner,my horse was Indyweekend and only had a small percent of him had to choose between him and Awsome Gem (he has now made $ 2.000.000.00+)in purse money but Indywekend always beat him in training sometimes spotting him 50 yards we Nominate him for triple Crown first race goes against Latent heat #1 horse in the stable of the late Bobby Frankel from the one hole first timer gets 2Nd at 20-1 odds speed b. 91. 2race 4th 1 1/6 Speed B.90 3rd race 4th speed B 69 mud did not like.4race finally brakes is maiden with a speed B. 103 7F Hollywood park.5th race put him on turf 1 mile won again speed B.82 we get offered 1 million to buy him and refused.than trainer Craig Dollase scopes him finds bone fragment in the knees small operation to clean him out make a long story short HAHAHA one knee swells down the other never did and we had to retire him.the moral his in real racing like in this wonderful game we all play it's like Forest Gump you never know what you going to get,and this does not in anyway reflects Steven's post I just wanted to share my life experience with you guy's of this wonderful sport.

there is a big difference in training and racing....a horse that trains well doesnt necessarily run well in races....u see it all the time after a huge stakes race on tv, they ask a owner or trainer what happened in the race , and why they finished so far out of the race, and they will say either something about the track/jockey/ or just didnt have it that day...I hear them say alot to that they were surprised because he or she TRAINED well all week .....thats life..if every 130 ran great all the time it would be ridiculous....and a little boring if u ask me...this game has to have more to it than, go buy horse , get 130, go run , win....the order of finish would be ...
1st- 130sr birth horse
2nd-129sr birth horse
3rd-128sr birth horse
4th-127sr birth horse
5th-126sr birth horse
6th-125sr birth horse
etc.............
that would be boring and frankly ridiculous

Ruff, you seem to have a problem with high SR horses, no one is saying thats how it should be, you have to understand that some 130s are better than other 130s and some 125s are better than some 130s, the consistency is a blackhole in this game that is used and i think its the biggest problem in game that we have not talked about, sure i can understand the consistency thing but these horses inconsistency is at 70 - 90% rate in my opinion...Ruff the blues and reds are there for you.

sundown

well I to talk to many trainers and owners at indiana downs and at churchill. In my experience they typically know what kind of distance they can get out of them. When they put them in certain situations during training, they typically know how they are gonna react ie( traffic, mud, turf, front running, outside, inside, does he liked to to pushed at the quarter pole, does he liked to be pushed in final stretch, does he respond to the whip, do blinkers help) these are all things learned in training. Just like we do, they put them in a mock race against similar competition and tell each jockey what they are looking for to get the horse to in different situations. Low and behold the jockeys in real life actually respond how they are supposed to if they want there pay check. I know for a absolute, 100%, positive fact from more than one trainer they have more information on there horse, than we ever could on this game. I have even seen trainers simulate noise of crowds. The only thing they dont know, is do I have this horse in the right class (ie is someone there who shouldnt be there, is someone moving way down in class, is there a lightly raced horse who is gonna be let go this race) will he have problems during the race (ie stumble or bumped from gate, bad position early, trapped on the rail). All those things can happen but with all those during race mishaps they can tell if there horse had the mustard to keep up with the competition. They can also tell from how the horse ran if they liked or disliked any situation in the race. Finally, the jockeys in real like are like the caddies in gold...most know what the hell is going on and you better darn well listen to them. They are like drivers in a race car, she was running loose, she was running tight...lol The jockeys have a wealth of information about a horse that a trainer/owner will never know. They can tell you after a few races, and a few training sessions what they got and what equipment they need to make the horse run better. All these things mean is this is a game and we will never have the ability to have all this information and never in a sufficient amount of time. So to counteract this we need the information we do get to be accurate. I am not asking they run there BSR, I am asking that practice is at least similar to the race.

I seem to have a problem with high SR's , LMFAO...I have 4 High SR horses right now in breeders cup championships....ask racodo, he is running against them....why would I have a problem? I just dont understand the people who think just because a horse has a birth speed of 130 it should run that way....do u guys EVER EVER EVER watch real racing? my god ! by the way, some of you guys were crying before puddles made a comeback statement about the new updates....then after Mikes post, you guys were like , (way to go mike, this is the best racing game ever!!) now , we are back to this game sux again? atleast why dont u email HRF and complain....I have in the past......ok Im off to get a 130, and if it doesnt run atleast a 129 , im going to quit and cry and go to bed!!! get real people.....lets ust make training our horses a wizz!!! make everything so easy and apparent.....the dumbing down of training......

Well why shouldn't we expect it to run its birth. If I bred a brs90 I expect a dirty fricking rat and 10 out 10 times I fricking correct. So I should expect the same when I bred a brs130 a dirty fricking rat. Ok thats great. A brs130 and a brs90 can both be dirty fricking rats.

If a brs90 is always a rat, then how can a brs130 be a rat? LOL

Hey Flying Ruff...I dont believe I said this game sucks, I have never dogged anyone in these forums, and ask around I am a pretty stand up guy, when I have a problem I put it out there, when I make a mistake I admit it. Thats great that your horses are great and you are the best trainer in here, good for you. You ever say I am crying and whining about something say it to my face, not in a little chat room or forum. If you want my address pm me I will give it to ya if you are man enough. But dont say I was crying cuz you just happen to not be having the same problem alot of us seem to be having. Read the forum dip shit, we arent wanting it easy, we arent wanting a hand out, we arent dogging anyone...we are having problems with the training not matching the racing....I bring up real world example, and you turn and say I am crying. If you want my phone number to talk this out I will give it to ya, but dont come in here and act like a billy badass and suck up to Mike just becuase you arent having the same problems.

Hey JB, I guess some people think they are super trainer and its easy when there horses fit their training. I guess I would wonder why everyone is discussing the issue if you dont have it. Probably the same person that thinks racism doesnt exist anymore cuz they dont deal with it. Then call people who are descriminated against cry babies. lol Why dont I ever get a 105 that runs like a 130? it never works that way does it...lmao

Come on Dakka,give Ty that winning curse! It worked for J.B! ;)

i agree that there should not be a huge difference in how horse trains and races but i guess it is a part of this game none of us will ever figure out. i have had a few horses with high birth sr who were terrible in racing but great in training. i have my highest sr horse now 133 who was the worst in training races but is the best in tourn races. her name is maras gold. so it shows that high or lower birth sr, good or bad in training what you will have in tourn racing is not known. i dont like it but it is what it is and accept it as part of the game----but is frustrating as hell to get a high sr horse only to find out its useless in tourn racing.

Loved your story, we have a lot of experienced horsemen playing this game and I learn plenty from you guys, thanks.
And Congrats on your win tonight.

@Ruffiano, I certainly hope you're not lumping me in with the "change your tune"when Puddles is around crowd!
Because when he gets back, it's game on!
The Instas will be the first quest for change.
The new blog and forum discussion will be out Sunday, and I hope you all contribute to the conversation.

We are not saying that because a horse has a birth speed rating of 130 that it should run a 130 in tournaments all we are saying is let it run somewhere near what it is capable of and not 40 to 45 sr less in a tournament than you are achieving in training over the same course and distance.If this is the case you may well just put a horse in a 75 000 point tournament and hope it does okay as training it is so inaccurate.The purpose of training a horse is to get some kind of idea of what the horse is capable of and im sure that in real racing 90% of the trainers at least know what they will get when the horse gets on the track.

Also regarding a 125sr horse beating a 135sr horse this is possilble if the trainer of the 135sr has not got the horse in a tournament that suits the horse as well as the 125sr horse.

It is so true what ibcri09 said earlier in the post that when you train and enter a 90sr horse in a trainer tournament you get a 85 to 90 sr never a bigger sr or very rarely,but enter a 135sr horse in a tournament and you are almost guaranteed to run 25 sr slower.Or in some cases 40 to 45sr slower than in training.

So basically all i am saying is at least let us be able to get a rough idea of how our horses are going to run in a tournament,not saying we expect to win just let our horses perform similar to in training.

stevic11

The Green Monkey. Cost 16 million and earned 45,000. Trained great in the mornings and ran like crap in races. It happens in real life too. Been around horses all my life, and could tell stories like this for days. We've all had under achievers that trained great, but ran horrible in tournys. I had a 132.7 that runs 120's in practice, then reeled off an 83,67,and 96 in tourny. That's life.

wow, now you all can see what your dealing with ........hey tyfoid fever...why dont you get Mikes number and call him instead of posting crap in here....? obviously the truth hurts , and why would I call you ? I know ur in love with me , but Im not that way so, u will have to find another ......I didnt say I was the best trainer, can u point out where I said that ...fiction is fun isnt it.....I said , if you could read, that I dont have a problem with high sr horses like sundown posted, cause I have a few in championship races....he said to stick with blues...why? its just ike racodo said, horses with high expectations sometimes just dont have it, that day , or their whole career...how many 10 million dollar horses do u think were bought at auction in real life thinking they would be top horses just to get on the track and fail?...why should it be any different here.....lol yeh like Im going to call u and make any progress on the phone lol.....people online really make me lugh, its like a guy that has road rage , tough in the car, but a wuss in real....one more time, just like in real racing, training does not always transfer to racing...why dont u understand that ? even Mike said this in his blog, do u think he doesnt understand racing either? u think he hasnt been around racing a while? tell him that

I dont mind that it happens once in awhile for sure...there are not certainties in racing or life. But at least for me and it sounds like other, that this is a common theme. I am hoping that this is fixed, cuz for me and not for everyone it makes it less fun. Now for some its not even a big deal, it doesnt even register as a problem, for others just a minor problem. But the way it sounds for many its a pain in the butt and should be reconciled. And this could all be a mute point, cuz it may already be fixed. I will just hope it is and we can move on and many of us can be happier.

And Jaaka taketh away. I hereby lift this dreadful curse from JBC.

Jaaka

~~ Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know. ~~

For you people who can't get your horses to run, you aren't placing them correctly. Flyingdaaka has mostly low SR horses but mostly all of them can compete. They are placed properly. It's not hard.

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I dont wanna talk in here lets meet...and we can solve this...just let me know or if you are to big of a puss in real life. I dont want to talk about this, I want to know if you are man enough to back up your words of calling me a baby or if you want to take care of this. Its not a hard question, you can beat around the bush and call me names like a 5th grader or we can take care of it. If you are gonna call me names then back it up otherwise quit name calling and and finger pointing and brown noseing your daddy. Just because you have been here for a year or whatever doesnt give you the right to call people out. So shut up, or stand up behind your insults and be a man about it.