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I agree

Could'nt agree more! These are computer programs not real horses, no need for handicaps. Let the best horses win as they should. Scale weights for all!

At this time, I see nothing wrong with Scale Weights being used for the finals.

Then you can get crushed by a monster in prelims and in the final...hopefully HRF doesn't cave in from community pressure on this one.

"This isn't just a game, It's a lifestyle"
-ModGraphix Stables-

Wouldnt that be a nice thing to have. Imagine the forums being about happy times again.

Mod thats what I am looking for. If I get extra weight in the finals and my horse aint that good and then beats a better horse, I dont think thats fair to beat a better horse with extra weight.

I just finished running a horse in 2 blue generals at 6f. Both times my horse made it to the finals and both times it finished 7th. Do you know what I did with that horse, I retired it. Done, end of story. Why keep a horse with no future? I rather know now that the horse cant perform now at a cheap level than in a general where the cost are much higher.

The question you have to ask youself after a final with handicapped weights is this horse any good?

Say this happens. I did poorly in prelims and got a weight break in the final and finshed 2nd. Maybe if I move the horse to a more expensive class then I should get the same weight break if not more. Say you dont get any weight break do to a handicapper who truly does not understand the race. You then lose more money now on a horse that wasn't good to begin with and the only reason your in that tourney was on faults hope of a weight break in the previous tourney.

Mod there are horses in blue's that will dominate others in the same tourney over and over. Are you saying its alright for a blue horse to dominate blues by a superior horse but not generals? Are the general tourneys the special olympics of horse racing? I think not. The best athletes go head to head with no added advantages. Who is the fastest horse in this game on final day? We will never know this answer. Its a mystery. If you add weight to this horse and take some away from that one then......it goes on and on with no possible conclusion.

Another thing the morning line in sports. If the New England Patriots are favorited by 7 pts over the New York Jets do they give the Jets 7 point lead before the game starts? NO

This is why all other sports are the fans favorite over horse racing. The best or worst find away to win without extra help.

Handicap weights were needed before, because of people running big horses in cheap tourneys.
There are no more cheap Generals.
They're all Graded Stakes.

Handicap weights are used in real racing to stimulate action in the betting pools. Our game is the TRAINER game, not pari-mutuel wagering game.

Scale Weights or narrow the weight range!

New class system now.
no cheap gen tournaments.

Put it to a vote and take the results to HRF?

I vote for scale weights
yes - 1
No - 0
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scale weights 2-0

It's not like we're asking for free merchandise!

HRF wouldn't be caving to pressure, but simply giving it's customers what they want. Simple supply and demand.
If HRF surveyed every trainer, I'm certain 90% or more can't stand the handicap weights.

It cost HRF a lot of money to implement the handicap program, that's why I'm more in favor of just narrowing the weight range.
That would be the compromise.

Ill put most of my stable on hold and wait for the possibility of scale weights. Good luck :o)

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"NO"

"This isn't just a game, It's a lifestyle"
-ModGraphix Stables-

Does that last NO vote count as 2 votes since in was done in CAPS? LMAO

Are you allowed to vote twice for yes.
I say let the best horse win :o)

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My stable is mostly sitting now and if theres a change to scale weights across the board the remainder of my stable will sit. As for your silly vote goes good luck with it!!

"This isn't just a game, It's a lifestyle"
-ModGraphix Stables-

Mod I know what will make you happy. We will get rid of the generals and turn them into blue restricted tourneys.

Lets see they have 90, 100, 110, 117, 124
We will add 130, 136, 142, 148

I guess I will be racing by myself in the 148 with my 145. Thats fine, it will be my 145 vs the pool horses. I doubt theres any 142.1+ pool horses.

If you want to race at top end gen tournaments.
Breed faster , better , harder horses. All comes back to correct placement. If you don`t place your horse correct expect to lose. Place correctly you have a good chance. Gen are the top end , the top class of racing on this game , If you dont have a top horse enter a blue tournament that is what the class system is about. You dont hear people complaining about blues or red tournaments - add scale weights to gen tournaments everyone goes back to happy forums again. Instead of everyday a different post/topic about handicapping

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Sounds like somebody needs some Max weight slapped on their horses, in order to come to their senses.
Either that or the anesthesia is still working.

LMAO!

My horses have been screwed by computer handicapping and by human handicapping. Scale weights would be a welcome relief for my barn and I am all for Scale Weight finals in the General tournaments. All other tournaments use scale weights now, so let's make it 100% consistant across the game.
Dusty

Scale weights
yes 7
no 2

I started from the begin of the post.

It won't matter. Scale weights. Weights differing by 3-5 lbs. It is irrelevant. Mod, if you want to avoid monsters, just avoid the 7500 point entrance fee tournaments. They are all there. All the newbies and Suncity with their 130+. If you have a good horse you want to run in generals, enter it in 15-25k tournaments. And after that, behave in the forum so you get a good post position in the final.

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yes 7
no 3

Dakka?
I have been requesting
25 - 50k
100+ k
150+ K
200+ k tournaments for my horses.
for 50% my horses
If I could request a 500k tournament for miss horizon I would.

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The fact is there is plenty of variation in the performance of each horse from one race to the next. The best (or highest speed rated) horse will NOT win every final using scale weights because of the programed variation in this game. Manipulating weights by handicapping (whether by computer or by human) only exaggerates the normal variations we see in our horses and makes the results even more random.
Dusty

YES!!! <--- that counts for 2 votes. Scale weights for the win. The handicapping system is fail all it did was make people hate each other.

They were talking about this very Topic On Bloodhorse this afternoon on Lenny and Steves Haskins weekly "And there Off " show , saying Handicaps may have been nessacary in Foregos Day , but trying to bring the horses all together by weight in todays world is stupid I would think that would go double in this game. Make All The Finals Scale Weights and let the "chips" pun intended.. fall where they may !
dave

Yes 9
No 3

I smell a Revolution!
The natives are getting restless, Mike.

Daaka, the whole point is that we don't want the weight to matter!
Right now it does matter, because some horses are getting 7lbs or more weight swings from the prelims.

My screw up is going to change the program? Congrats to those who did well, and again sorry to those who didnt. It was a good race

JTW

-What has human handicapping done for the game?
people bitch & complain all day long about weights , been screwed blah blah herd it 500 times. , handicappers get call out named and shamed in public forums – all so slammed in the community. Fights , arguments , disagreements , you name it and even leave the game as a direct result of it.

Been 2 months since it has been introduced , there are next to none handicappers left , all quit or voted of in the new game of survivor live interacted. Play for free , see how long you last? It has had 2 months to progress and to move forward and be a part of the game (but has not) The overwhelming community want to move forward to scale weights with all aspects of the game. Scale weight would fit in perfect with the new levels of GEN tournaments.

Remember best for the majority , not one or small groups of individuals.

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I need to think more about this before I cast a vote...here is what I am contemplating:
(Let me preface by saying BSR's dont always matter I know I know, but all things being equal a 135 that runs a 130 is better than a 125 that runs a 120 most of the time) That being said....
1. Scale weights = alot of 124.1- 126.9 (give or take, maybe even higher) will have a lot less chance of winning period. It has effected me both ways, for nstance my horse was fav and the 12-1 and worse horse that had no weight beat me and shouldnt have, I have also been that last horse to make it in the final and placed in the top 3. But take away that advantage and for those horses that squeek in and I would bet they will lose in a more alarming rate than normal. Let me give an example: 6 Blues today = 0 wins. Now the horses that snuck into the finals actually finished ok but def not going to win, on the flip side the horses that I thought had a good chance also didnt win. Not sure I have enough data to like or hate scale wieghts yet, but today was a bad day to ask me...lol
2. Handicapped = alot of horses that sneak into the finals at least have a chance to win, now if you say the best horse should win, then basically your saying whoever breeds the most should have the best shot to win, so the game goes back to who is willing to spend the money to get the best horse. I am not saying I disagree or not but that is what is running through my head. I dont want to become the yankees of HRF and pay for my championships. lol
Maybe if we up the blues a little to a 126 BSR, that would protect my numerous horses that are 124-125.9? wow that was long winded!!!!

Take this as an example of a finial just run - it was handicapped buy the computer.
http://www.horseracegame.com/community/races/19354
The 2yo 1/4 reward winner was in this race and was bottom weight for the finial in which the horse won has a record of 15 starts 14 wins , 1 second

Can I vote a few more times for scale weights.

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Scale weights or handicap weights ? I can live with either. What I would like to see fixed or improved more than anything is the mind-boggling jockey intelligence.

Suncity,
I agree 100% with you that the handicapping program's major accomplishment is to have fostered anger and hard feelings among community members! It really is dragging the community down.
Dusty

I think we should go to scale weights, but in the mean time how come everybody quit handicapping races?

I know why. I think what we have to say is the human cappers are better than the computer. I have several issues with the handicapping.

What happened to this reward system for handicappers Puddles said months ago?

I noticied people are in a rush to vote no but they dont come in to vote yes. Forget about 3 yes votes to get 3,000pts that hasn't worked and you can ask any handicapper about that.

You should get 3,000pts per race you handicap.

One steward will be assigned to look over each race before it runs. If the steward says its good or bad. They will post there name and add a comment. If the race is judged bad then the people in the race should be notified and give a yes or no vote to have the race run by the computer which will be scale weights. The Steward will earn 3,000pts per race.

Maybe we can also tighten the weights as Vasdef mentioned above.

Everybody wants a fair race and the people who handicap and the stewards deserve our respect.

What was the total vote so far
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yes 9
no 3

tyolds and dontbeonme where undecided

I would say only a small % of players comment in the forums so if you were to use the same vote count across the hole community then there is a major majority.

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I think the human handicappers do a much better job than we give them credit for. Let them continue.

The fact is, you people have created a mess, not HRF. When you lose a final, instead of saying "well, I lost to another great horse, try again next time", you fools attempt to blame everyone from the handicapper to the Pope. It is pitiful. Many of you are a bunch of foolish crybabies who need to grow up. Soon. Do you at all realize how pathetic you look by griping about a couple of lbs. in a final ??? Get off your high horses and stop thinking each of you should win every final. None of you are even close to being good enough.
You blame, harass and intimidate and scare off thin skinned handicappers, which leaves the computer to handicap them. When there aren't enough handicappers around to do it, then you people get exactly what you deserve, the computer giving out crazy weights. Flyingdaaka will just sit back and laugh when that happens.
If you don't like the game or what happens in finals, leave. The game would be better off without some of you. Seriously. It is a handful of you that #^# things up in here. You took a decent idea like handicapping finals, and have made a mess out of it. Get out of the damn game if it bothers you that much.

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By the way, I am serious about this post. This is not fooling around and acting like an idiot in the forum. Also, pinhead jbcri, where do you get off giving a "no vote". Scale weights are fine. Handicapping races is fine. Casting a vote, yes or no, means &^$^$ !!!!!!

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Go check my horse Mach22, he got taken out in his last tourney by weight. Then check the comments I left on johnnycool's handicapping page. No crying or complaining to him, just the opposite.

I don't come on the forum crying about much. In fact, I get chastised for being a cheerleader. But at some point you have to say enough.
When this handicap program first came out all of this bickering was predicted.

I spend thousands of dollars here and if my only two choices are to shut up or leave. Then I'll cash in my chips.

Finals get lost because of these reasons:

1) Your horse was beaten by a better horse ON THAT DAY
2) Your horse was not placed at optimum surface/distance
3) Post position. Very few realize how critical this can be.
4) Racing luck. Everyone has seen how poor a ride can be in here.
They don't get won or lost because a horse has 2 or 3 lbs. more or less than it should. The sooner everyone starts to understand this very basic concept, the better off everyone will be.
Chris won the big race last night. He had the best horse in the race, not only on that day, but the best horse period. Jaycat's horse was crushed. Do you think it was because he had top weight. Of course not. A few lbs going his way wouldn't have stopped it from getting crushed. Maybe it would have brought it a length closer, but what would that have done ??? Shrink the margin of defeat from 10 lengths to 9.

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be happy

Chris did have the best horse, so why wasn't it high weight?
You can't sit there and tell me that if a front-runner wins at5.5f,6f and gets caught at the wire and comes in second by a nose at 6.5f .
Then carries 5-7 lbs over the competition and loses the final at 6f by several lenghts.
After running on the lead, it gets caught by horses it's already beaten twice?
No ,that's weight ,plain and simple.

And like I told johnnycool, I've been on both ends, where I had my longshot horse win because of low weight.
You don't see me complaining much about weight, but you know I was against using handicaps for Top horses all along.

I don't like the idea of losing or winning because of weight.
There's too much on the line(quartelies,shed,etc.)

Before the handicap program, nearly everyone complained about the computer handicap(including Puddles). So now those complaints are directed at fellow players. This is not good.

Either we go with scale weights or tighten the weight range, we can't
continue in this present condition. It's obviously destructive.

FYI: I was only referring to you telling us to shut up as nonsense.
Cuz you got some nerve, the way you blast everybody on here. LOL

Ahhh. Another cheery day in the HRF forums, I see. Whats todays complaints?

And it's too hot out.

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Good times, Bad times!
Happy Times, Sad Times!

Did you see the happy threads about the Blue wins and all of the people getting their first tourney win?

No, you didn't see those? Just the complaining ones?

Let me see who started those happy threads! I'll be right back!

Oh what do you know? JB and Vasdef started the happy threads.
Hmmmm!

I know, why don't we all become like Zombies and pretend we're happy about everything ,and then Daaka can tell us to shut up with our cheerleading.
ROFL!

I have to agree with what you said,well put.

stevic11