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Not only small stables but larger stables too! I remember I claimed a horse from sleepers even with pulling the performance report! It turned out to be an 84 or something! Really??? Anybody who is doing this needs to stop using claimers as a dumping grounds even at 12500 points 100 and up maybe, but not anything below that. I don't think we can keep anybody from claiming from who they want, because you can easily look to see if they have a decent stable or not!

They know that their horse has a chance to get claimed when they enter it there and all horses in claiming races are up for grabs. Now, If they dont want their horses claimed, then enter them in the new blue restricteds or a general trainer tournament, after that they can get in the red restrcteds and do some damage

but even with real trainers today at actual racetracks they don't do that.....its a little trainer rule that they have at tracks your not suppose to claim from a small barn

I learned the hard way about gentleman rules, decency, a little respectfulness.
Trust me, you don't want to go there!

This will be dealt with Tommorow AM when Flyingdaaka has time. Oh man, will it ever be dealt with,

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

3 WORDS FOR YA "its a game".... hope that helps..

i dont claim much but if i see a horse i like i am putting in a claim and i dont care who it belongs to .....if u want quick points buy some like i do ....sorry guys i cant support this because a newbie can breed a 145 just like anybody else ....

amen

Edited for bad mood

Your claimed Birth SR 84 is eligible for the Blue Restricted "Every Thing I Need" for 2 year olds with a birth SR of 84 and below. If you put it in a claimer someone might buy it just to enter it in that tournament (maybe).

I'm new to this game but the first thing I did when I got my first trainer game horse was to find out about entering tournaments. I found that way that if I entered my horse in a claimer tourney, I could lose it which scared me away from them at the time. So if a small stable like mine is entering horses in instas, I would say their horse is fair game just like anyone else's; they either have decided they don't want the horse or they just didn't learn enough about the game before playing. Just my opinion.
- Joe

Now people want certain restrictions when it comes to claiming? How rich. How about if your student doesnt want to lose his horse, you give him better advice and tell him not to enter instas.

Can't wait for Daaka's response (LOL)

-ModGraphix Stables-

This was a couple months ago, I think. Maybe 2, so I hadn't paid any attention to the talk of the blue retricteds, if any! I agree with the idea of being able to claim from anybody. I don't know what the point is of who its claimed from, but I still don't agree with people dumping low sr horses into the claiming races to try to earn a few points back towards "their loss."

I have improved my stable greatly through claiming horses.I have got 125 plus in low claimers I have also gotten sub 100's,heck sub 90's It is part of the game and part of the fun "IT'S THE CHANCE YOU TAKE " it keeps people honest in claiming horses if everybody entered good horses they would all be claimed !! My Motto no risk no reward.JMHO....Stan

Whaley's Stables
Home to some of the World's Finest Gin
"At Least Temporarily"

I enter low sr horses in low claimers to give quick eligibility for restricted races. not to dump them. it takes too long and there is no chance for reg trainers. instas risk loss but otherwise a good restricted will fill before you qualify...

***\OFF TRACK GAMBLING/***

Westphalia, I don't like people entering horses that can run 120 or 130 in tournaments that cost $.15 total investment. The argument that has been made to me-- by everyone from Ronwar to Flying Daaka-- is that anyone can enter a horse anywhere they please.

Why should instas be any different? I've had plenty of good ones claimed from me, and I've entered bad ones to keep people from claiming horse after horse after horse. I've seen horses with SR of 75 have deceptive performance reports. You never know what you are going to get.

As far as I'm concerned, claiming is no-holds-barred. You have no right to expect that the horse you claimed is going to be good, or even decent. None at all. If you can't handle the thought of having someone pawn his trash off on you, just concentrate on putting your G1-class horses into $0.25 entry fee/no race fee tourmaments like everyone else. You will be much happier that way.

I entered an insta for the experience and to see what kind of horses I would be up against and how my horse would react, but I knew he might be claimed and would have been glad to get the claiming points and buy a new horse. I would hope anyone entering a claimer understands that entering a horse means he might be claimed. All that info is included in the instructions for entering the tournament. I am a newbie and anyone should know they should read the instructions of any tourney before entering.

Just my humble opinion.

Don

the only point i was trying to make was
by claiming a horse that has never run from a newbie to the game
you are hoping they don't know the game and send in a good horse
trying to take advantage of them before they learn the game

and like real trainers do in real life they rarely claim from a small stable....its just a lil trainer rule they have amongst themselves

I just started this game and I breed my first horse and it was a very good horse. I decided to out him in a Insta-Tournament race just to get some quick money and learn the game a little bit. Well my horse did very well and killed the field and wired the field as well. Very good sprinter. Well some monster stable claimed my horse who had over 20 horses. He didn't even need my horse and he obviously seen that I was new and it was my first horse. I was so upset that I vented to my mentor about it. Everyone might not agree with me but i feel there should be some respect shown to beginners of this game.

"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis." "Stay thirsty, my friends."

It's all part of the game. You gained valuable experience from it. The game has many facets and is being played from many points of view. Like any sport, "90 per cent of the game is half mental" to quote Yogi Berra. Strategy is everything and the sooner you learn it the better. No kid gloves here. Everyone is struggling. I've spent a good $500 on points and my stable has only won a bit over 300,000 points.
Boy, I sure have a knack for coming off like a big meanie. I'm sorry, but we've all lived through it. And really, some of the greatest feuds are between trainers at the racetrack.

Someone has a personal grudge!

I have one horse that can run 120s and 130s dry and that's Kontroll Freak who just set the track record for 9F. You can see for yourself. I don't know whom you are referring to as putting my 120s in 1,500pt tournaments. Kontroll Freaks first tournament was 3,500 points and from then on I continued to move her up because I was advised to start her low to make sure she performed well!!! As far as Ein Sturm Kommt goes his first tournament was 1500 points and it was a slop tournament. He won his first race with a 148.9 and 120s on the other 2 and did not show up for the final and ran 80s to 90s in his sand tournament!
Don't get mad at me because I'm doing a good job I have seen you around complaining before so it's not shocking to me that I've been attacked by someone I have done nothing to. I know what a grade one horse is and SR means nothing, as we all know so you can continue to talk all you want because I bred 11 horse with an SR of over 120 in the past month and more than half of them don't run anywhere close! I don't know why you're worried about my stable. This has been discussed over and over about people not entering their horses correctly. If you go and actually look at my stable you'd know. If I was placing them below I'd win every tournament I enter.
You claim that anybody can put horses anywhere and claim what they'd like, but you put trash in to keep people from claiming horse after horse??? That's contradictory! If they want to claim horse after horse and they are up to par then that is their choice. Correct or no? So, you can't control what horses people get because you don't think they should claim good horses every time. So you think you take it into your own hands and throw anything in. That's you wasting points to try to teach people a lesson!!! What sense does that make?
I don't know what the hell your problem is, this is a game and I can say what I don't like without having to try and knock someone else down that has absolutely nothing to do with me! You have to try harder than that!!!
I don't believe I have anything to do with you, so you can keep me out of your posts!

Someone has a personal grudge!

I have one horse that can run 120s and 130s dry and that's Kontroll Freak who just set the track record for 9F. You can see for yourself. I don't know whom you are referring to as putting my 120s in 1,500pt tournaments. Kontroll Freaks first tournament was 3,500 points and from then on I continued to move her up because I was advised to start her low to make sure she performed well!!! As far as Ein Sturm Kommt goes his first tournament was 1500 points and it was a slop tournament. He won his first race with a 148.9 and 120s on the other 2 and did not show up for the final and ran 80s to 90s in his sand tournament!
Don't get mad at me because I'm doing a good job I have seen you around complaining before so it's not shocking to me that I've been attacked by someone I have done nothing to. I know what a grade one horse is and SR means nothing, as we all know so you can continue to talk all you want because I bred 11 horse with an SR of over 120 in the past month and more than half of them don't run anywhere close! I don't know why you're worried about my stable. This has been discussed over and over about people not entering their horses correctly. If you go and actually look at my stable you'd know. If I was placing them below I'd win every tournament I enter.
You claim that anybody can put horses anywhere and claim what they'd like, but you put trash in to keep people from claiming horse after horse??? That's contradictory! If they want to claim horse after horse and they are up to par then that is their choice. Correct or no? So, you can't control what horses people get because you don't think they should claim good horses every time. So you think you take it into your own hands and throw anything in. That's you wasting points to try to teach people a lesson!!! What sense does that make?
I don't know what the hell your problem is, this is a game and I can say what I don't like without having to try and knock someone else down that has absolutely nothing to do with me! You have to try harder than that!!!
I don't believe I have anything to do with you, so you can keep me out of your posts!

Someone has a personal grudge!

I have one horse that can run 120s and 130s dry and that's Kontroll Freak who just set the track record for 9F. You can see for yourself. I don't know whom you are referring to as putting my 120s in 1,500pt tournaments. Kontroll Freaks first tournament was 3,500 points and from then on I continued to move her up because I was advised to start her low to make sure she performed well!!! As far as Ein Sturm Kommt goes his first tournament was 1500 points and it was a slop tournament. He won his first race with a 148.9 and 120s on the other 2 and did not show up for the final and ran 80s to 90s in his sand tournament!
Don't get mad at me because I'm doing a good job I have seen you around complaining before so it's not shocking to me that I've been attacked by someone I have done nothing to. I know what a grade one horse is and SR means nothing, as we all know so you can continue to talk all you want because I bred 11 horse with an SR of over 120 in the past month and more than half of them don't run anywhere close! I don't know why you're worried about my stable. This has been discussed over and over about people not entering their horses correctly. If you go and actually look at my stable you'd know. If I was placing them below I'd win every tournament I enter.
You claim that anybody can put horses anywhere and claim what they'd like, but you put trash in to keep people from claiming horse after horse??? That's contradictory! If they want to claim horse after horse and they are up to par then that is their choice. Correct or no? So, you can't control what horses people get because you don't think they should claim good horses every time. So you think you take it into your own hands and throw anything in. That's you wasting points to try to teach people a lesson!!! What sense does that make?
I don't know what the hell your problem is, this is a game and I can say what I don't like without having to try and knock someone else down that has absolutely nothing to do with me! You have to try harder than that!!!
I don't believe I have anything to do with you, so you can keep me out of your posts!

As for the real game
when an owner comes to his trainer and says I want that horse he better be claiming that
horse or he will be losing that said owners whole stable I was around the backside for along time
i seen a trainer get suspended for claiming a horse from another trainer whos exercise boy went to work for him
so it was like getting inside info but as far some rule i never heard of it and i worked for some big trainer ex: P.G. Johnson Frank Martin To me Its all fair game if ya dont want to lose a horse then dont enter the claimers

Jacob, Flyingdaaka has seem some pretty ridiculous posts in his time, but this goes beyond absurd. Did you think even before you posted ??? Did you read it back to see how foolish it was ???
Have you been paying attention to "new trainers" performances lately ??? Well, some are dominating the game. Many are performing far better than you. One just won a bunch of tournaments combining for over a million points. Now, you come in and ask Flyingdaaka and every one else to go soft on new trainers ??? RUBBISH !!!!!
You as a mentor will take responsibility for not properly explaining the rules of claiming to your student. Anyone with even a small amount of knowledge in horse racing, including this game, is aware that claiming means you could lose your horse. To all, NEVER, enter a claiming race unless you are prepared to lose your horse. Something that has happened to Flyingdaaka many, many times, incidently.
You spoke about how your student was "forced" to buy a new horse. Well tough #%^#^. So isn't everyone else in here !!! Do you think Puddles just drops horses into our stables for fun ???? Don't be foolish. Yes, your student will go BUY a horse. Aren't they up to several free horses now unlike the case when Flyingdaaka and everyone else started the game ??? And you complain when they lose one ??? NONSENSE !!!!
"they are trying to just get quick points" Oh ...well.... excuse Flyingdaaka !!! What the &*%^ does that mean ???? Everyone in this game tries to get points. Do you want players in here to write a check for your student, so he can have a few points ???? Maybe he can borrow some off the new trainer who won over a million points this week. Jacob, Flyingdaaka has noted that you seem to have the free point offers down cold. You are listed on the points scroll nearly daily with your free point offers. Why don't you offer this information to your student, so he can also get some free points. Heck tell Flyingdaaka how you do it so Flyingdaaka can get his share.
These defensive minded posts regarding new players sicken Flyingdaaka. It is obvious that they hold an advantage in the breeding shed as they enter the game lately. There are many trainers currently in the game who have bred massively, and not received a huge SR horse. New players seem to get these huge SR horses almost right away. Now you ask that new students receive yet another advantage by allowing them to enter claiming races and be immune from claiming ???? Get the .... out of here with that !!!
You people pay attention. You put a horse in a claiming race, Flyingdaaka doesn't care if you are Bob Baffert or the Pope. That horse can get claimed. If you can't deal with that, don't enter it in a claiming race. Those are your "options" you asked for. Every trainer in this game has the right to enter any horse of any caliber in any claiming event. It could be anything from a 60 SR horse to Wells Fargo. If you get a horse in a claim you like, well that's peachy. If you don't, retire it, and try again if you like.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

I tried to warn you Jacob! LMFAO

There are Sr High kids who go down to the Jr High, kick some butt and then brag about how tough they are.
There are Parents who play Monopoly with their 10yo and buy up all the property.

That's Life, it ain't fair . So you just have to deal with it.
Like someone said, this is a game and anybody can play it anyway they choose. People can enter any Tournament and claim any horse they choose, there are no rules against it(except restricted tourneys).

Good Luck on the track,
Newb Slayer

(I , the young Todd Pletcher of HRF , will be running exclusively at Newbie Racetrack and Casino).
And I better not hear a peep about it.

This thread reminds me of an incident a while back.
Maybe you could look it up.

But a big stink was raised when the Instas first started.
A Top player decided he and other Top Stables should enter a few good horses in Instas, so that smaller stables could claim a good horse.
The "gentleman's agreement" was that Big Stables would not claim horses from other Big Stables.

Anybody remember this?
Well, a big stable claimed one of the horses, and a bloobath ensued.
And the consensus was that anybody can claim any horse they choose.
We are not Gentlemen and there are no agreements.
The funny thing is that you can tell exacly where people are philosophically and politically, by where they stand on issues like this.
I really love this game and community, it's like one big family drama.
The best bang for your entertainment dollar!

Win at all cost,(Drill, baby, Drill)
Newb Slayer

buyer beware!! Easy!
Have a look at the horses past performances and bloodline if he has one , if ya like it buy it. If ya don't, check out the next one!
If ya can't find one ya like, just spend some @!#$'n points/money and buy one!! Easy!
Get a good one, yeeha to you, if ya don't, shit happens, try again!
Can't get any simpler than THAT!!!
This game is like a slot machine. Everyone thinks the big one is about to drop, but no one (except for the creator ie Puddles), has any real idea about when things may happen. Everyone's hoping, but no one really has any idea what's going to happen next! JMHO but pretty accurate i think. :)
Did i mention i'm a rocket scientist by the way??! :P lol

Now theres the Daaka we all love (LOL) and he's 100% correct. You enter a claiming race and your horse will be subjected to being claimed. Period!!! And if your mentor recommended you to put your only horse (a very good one) in a claiming race for any reason Daaka's shotgun should be used for that mentor and not for the struggling pony's that we so often hear about (LOL) As for what horses anyone enters in claiming races it's up to the trainer and no one else...try telling this Canadian how to play this game (LOL) This is all part of the strategy of the game and you best know the rules before you play or you will be very disappointed.

How the Claiming Portion Works
Once a horse is entered in an Insta-Tournament, a claiming price is assigned to that horse based on the Insta-Tournament description. The claiming price is always identified in the description of the Insta-Tournament and is always geared toward the NN (Non-Nominated) horse. PN or FN horses entered in Insta-Tournaments can only be claimed for additional fees. All horses in that Insta-Tournament are eligible to be claimed for a set claiming price and adhere to the following formula:

NN (Non-Nominated) Horses are eligible to be claimed for the exact claiming price identified in the Insta-Tournament.

PN (Partially-Nominated) Horses are eligible to be claimed at a 100% premium above (in addition to) the listed claiming price.

FN (Fully-Nominated) Horses are eligible to be claimed at a 300% premium above (in addition to) the listed claiming price.

Once you enter an Insta-Tournament, there is no option to scratch or quit the tournament. As long as the Insta-Tournament meets the minimum number of required entries and runs, any horse entered can be claimed. There is no exception.

If you are going to claim a horse out of an Insta-Tournament, you must have all the available community points at the time you enter the claim including the premiums associated with claiming PN and FN horses. The community points will be taken from your account once the claim is entered and transferred to the previous owner at the end of the Insta-Tournament less claiming commission fee mentioned above. If you lose the claim to another player who was claiming the same horse, your community points will be returned in full at the end of the Insta-Tournament. Players can claim multiple horses out of the same Insta-Tournament. A player who has a horse in an Insta-Tournament cannot enter a claim for his own horse to try to stop a claim from someone else. All claiming transactions are final and under no circumstances can they be cancelled. Claims can only be entered when an Insta-Tournament reaches the minimum number of required players and the tournament starts.

-ModGraphix Stables-

Will there ever come a time when you make a point (and no one can argue you do have some good ones) without adding your disparaging, insulting, vindictive and boorish rudeness as well? There is so much good in this community but much of it is lost when insolence and arrogance rears its ugly head. Racing in real life as well in this excellent virtual replica teaches lessons every day to people much wiser than you and I, has done since Charles 11 started match racing in 1762 and gave birth to the Sport of Kings. To make a point showing respect and decency to the other party is both courageous and displays true charactor and wisdom. On the other hand to continually lace comment with personal insult simply exhibits pitifull weakness and cowardice. Oh and after a short while they also cease to have any entertainment value.

lmao

"and like real trainers do in real life they rarely claim from a small stable....its just a lil trainer rule they have amongst themselves"

I was part of a small claiming outfit on the New York circuit (Belmont, Aqueduct, Saratoga), rarely owned more than 1 or 2 claiming horses at the same time - the other trainers/owners did not get this memo ever. We lost many of ours in claiming races - but that's the game !

And aren't these mostly FREE horses these newbies are losing ?

BTW jacob13, my small stable status didn't prevent YOU from claiming one of my horses (Chris Lute) - who has become one of your star performers. Very nice job with Chris Lute's career, which I follow.

I said, "not one peep"!
~Newb Slayer

I'm still trying to find that thread, where Ronwar claimed Sundown's horse. It would be interesting to see where people stood on that.

I believe if you stick a horse in an Insta it is fair game.Period
Mod posted the HRF rules and that should be the end of it.
But in the words of the famous philosopher Rodney King,
"Can't we just all get along?"

ROFL

Westphalia, I directed the comment at you because you were complaining about people putting crap in instas. I don't know anything about you or your stable, what kind of horses you enter, what you've won, etc. What I'm saying is, I've basically been told to shut up and stop complaining about good horses in cheap tournaments, because it's a trainer's right to enter their horses anywhere they want.

So I am saying it is the same with instas; you can enter any horse you want to in any insta you want. And yes, after having three 120+ horses claimed from me by the same two stables, I did throw a couple of bad ones in there, hoping the same people would claim them. I will do it again, too. Any time I feel like it.

I am making a comparison between you complaining about people putting bad horses in instas, and me complaining about peopel putting good ones in cheap tournaments. It's going to continue, so no point in complaining. Make sense now?

You know what, on second thought, after re-reading my initial post, and reading your spew in your triple responses, think whatever you want. What I wrote was clearly not directed at you. Read it again.

And...

"You claim that anybody can put horses anywhere and claim what they'd like, but you put trash in to keep people from claiming horse after horse??? That's contradictory! "

No, it's not. I have--and will--put a bad horse in here and there, to stop people from claiming every single thing I put in the instas. You claim something from anyone, you are taking a risk. I think some people have gotten spoiled by a few good claims in a row, and expect everything they get to be good. Not so in real horse racing, not so in this game.

Baaahh !!!!! Mojok !!!!
You were so high and mighty, frowning on Flyingdaaka's performance in here. Now look at you. Pathetic. You are now reduced to a moping and whining one trick pony stable. So you have garbage in your stable now, and you sold out your good horses in instas. Whose fault is that ???? Westphalia's ??? Flyingdaaka's ??? No mojok, the blame lies squarely on you.
Who would be fooled now to claim any of your slobs ??? You needn't worry about that any longer.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

Mrmojok,

Don't badger me! Just because you were told off doesn't mean you have the right to. It's not a domino affect! I can voice my opinion like everyone else! So, that means you should have commented on everyone's posts. Not just mine. You should look carefully before you take aim that way because I don't care how you think it came off. I'm responding to the reason you had to spot me out. Instead of making it a general comment, you pointed it directly at me. So, it is not correct for you to tell me to enter my grade one horses low to make me happy like everyone else because I haven't done anything of the sort, so you could have just left that out. Making snide comments when you know nothing of my stable. Go and put your comments to good use to the people that actually need it.

Thank you Daaka on your behalf! It is certainly not my fault that you decide to diminish your stable. Just because the same people have snatched from you! What do you expect them to do??? That's just common sense. I have the points to spare if I choose and I rarely ever claim. Maybe only 4 or 5 like I said and 2 came out decent and the others not so good, so how is that being spoiled???

Daaka, you STILL need a reading comprehension course. I didn't say I lost all my good horses in instas. The ones claimed were 120s that will probably never run a race up to their birth speed rating in their lives. I'm saying anyone who would want to claim every single horse I put in there, be prepared for some truly horrible ones as well as decent ones. If no one wants to claim any of them, that is also fine with me.

I also didn't say I have garbage in my stable now. There are a couple that are a bit long in the tooth that need to be retired. There might be a couple of young ones that aren't too good, who might show up in instas. Or wait... the ones that show up in instas might actually be very good horses.

Either way, I'm just glad the whole idea of it pisses you off.

#1 out of all the students i had that is the 1st who entered a claimer right away and before i told him it wasnt a good idea it had already been to late
but i am pretty sure if i enter a horse in a claimer it has a 50% of getting claimed
when someone new to the game enters a horse in a claimer they have about 90% chance of getting claimed
main reason why is because you are thinking they are noob and don't know what they are doing and enter in a good horse...so you are trying to take advantage of them

and the quality of horses went down in instas....but with the new blue restricted tournaments things should be a lot better
the lower horses will enter the blue and the higher horses will enter the instas

ric480
chris lute is a good horse and the best claim i have ever got....and when i claimed him he already ran in a general tournament and had 3 races under him

Westphalia- for the third time, I am telling you if you're not entering your good ones in the cheap tournaments, maybe you should think about doing it. That is why I said "just concentrate on putting your G1-class horses into $0.25 entry fee/no race fee tourmaments LIKE EVERYONE ELSE." You can bet that's what I'm going to do, along with mixing crap horses in with the good in instas.

Did you use to post here under the name "ashley12" ?

It would have been easy to just say FU then write a story explaining yourselves. I for one would never take on Westphalia, thats automatic loss and would result in looking like a donkeys ass. LMAO!

I'd dub you reading comprehension student #3, but unlike the other two, you are clearly beyond hope when it comes to that.

they just don't like each other

also makes the 'Pathetic' thread irrelevant.

Enter and/or claim what you want in instas (buyer & seller beware, read the label before entering).

You are the trainer, they are your horses, enter them where you please within the tournament guidlines and restrictions, simple. Using strategy to where you want to go is up to each individual trainer.

Johnny 5: "Strategy"
Newton Crosby, Phd. : "What about it?"
Johnny 5: "Need some!"
From the movie "Short Circuit"

That seems to sum it up nicely, Richard.

After reviewing this thread, it has become clear to Flyingdaaka that the shotgun not be used for crappy horses (they now have blue tournaments to enter). The shotgun should be blowing away some of you people instead. It would make these posts in the forum more intelligent. Flyingdaaka bred a 94 SR horse earlier, but, that horse is way way down on the list of items that need to corrected by Uncle Shotgun.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~

It's so nice to see the Master of Forum Trolling finally crack.

"Don't badger me! Just because you were told off doesn't mean you have the right to. It's not a domino affect! I can voice my opinion like everyone else!"

LOL...what an amazing statement...you actually think no one would respond to this silly statement?

This place gets more entertaining by the minute.

As for 90% of newbies horses getting claimed because they don't know any better is also silly...i wouldn't claim from them for the same exact reason. To say newbies get all the best horses because they are newbies is just not true...get your facts straight before posting false and misleading statements!!

-ModGraphix Stables-

"get your facts straight before posting false and misleading statements!!"

Mod, sorry to knock you from that high horse you are riding but OPINIONS are welcomed here. Many are in the opinion that new players are getting high SR horses more readily than others.
This forum will not become some fact-fest. It would die out in about 3 days. That isn't false or misleading.

~~ The Flyingdaaka stable: Low SR horses only ~~