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My very first thought was.......
If the races ad or tournaments were not days appart we would end up only owning a super star for 1 month due to consant racing and aging so quickly..
After finishing reading the thread you are correct in saying "if you want to run its career in 3 days you should be able to""...that is a valid statment also...

I am all for improving an already awesome game so i would give this kind of idea the thumbs up also...
Im sure all ideas liked by the majority will go into the "to be looked at pile" unfortunately that pile is probably very large right at the moment due to so many new things in the process...

nice idea ruffiano....thumbs up..

"Play Hard but Have fun doing it"

Well that sounds good to me because it is just a little irratating to have to wait 2 weeks to see if your horse wins any points... It sounds like your almost describing insta-races without the claiming part. which would be great for trying young horses out on. However, some may be interested in the back to back races but I for one (being still new to this game) would probaly age a horse (at 3 races/yr) beyond it's prime before I could learn how to really get it to run. I like your idea but on the otherhand I like the way it is too. If the races were too close together people like me wouldn't have enough time to learn from their mistakes. One race a day per horse would probaly have to be my limit. Then again maybe that would be too fast... I like the realism of the game. If you just ran one race right after the other you lose that realism. The concept of having a race ready to be ran on anyday that you feel like running on does sound appealing though, realisticly I don't think they could pull it off because the number of active racers it would take to keep those races full all day long would come up short. I had a tourney cancelled on me today because not enough horses signed up. Judging just by what I've seen (which isn't much) alot more races would just mean alot more cancellations. But hey, I'm very new and could be very wrong about it.

I would like to see alot more small entry fee 2yo races though. Mainly because that would encourage more breeding and more new horses being brought into the game which would automaticly increase the racing volume which in turn would encourage more races of all ages because the horses age from being raced.

Give me time I'll get it right.
It's all fun right ??

Totally agree with ruffiano the trainer game at the moment is great,but yea the races are too far apart ,some tournaments do go over 1month i feel they should go for about 2weeks that way it would give trainers more opportunity to enter more tournaments and they would fill instead of having horses sitting in there stable and making the voting for tournaments alot quicker instead of 10 positive votes why not just 5 and waiting for 5 weeks why not 2weeks that way published alot faster for the community,creating more of the desired tournaments and with ruffiano's idea of having daily races why not make the insta tournament's daily going off every 30 minutes,all day every day just like real racing,cause they are a one race event,now that would attracked more trainers (new& more experienced)and alot more breeding,benefiting both (HRF,FINANCIALLY) and the trainers more racing,more wins and alot more points being throwing around in the community,making it feel more real like a race day at the track and having the challenge buddy on the insta tournaments too.just my idea and opinion.

peace rlp...

slave dave , the stars your refering to dont even get any star value at all, nothing featured on them , and with retired horses are gone and forgotten, why not have races every 30 or so...Im glad you like the Idea!!!

califokie, you woudnt have to race every 30 min if you didnt want to, they could keep the longer running tournaments for those who want it, I jsut checked the first race of a regular tournament one of my horses is in just now , and there is only one horses from a real person in the first race, the rest are pool horses....

I feel this would take away what the Trainer game is about, the pace of the game as it is now is not far away from prefect in my eyes , little tweaks only needed.
The pace of the game is important, what this game gives us is a horse racing game that is to copy the real world of racing as near as it is possible to do, to speed the game up like you say would take this away.
I think what you are talking about will never happen, the ageing process of a horse is key to the game, to run an entire career in 3 days this would never happen here not even by choice , Puddles would never go for this it is to far away from what the game is about .
-Craztphil-

you talk about our horses career like its important to the game or us, remember "horses arent pets, they are only to be used to make money or get rid of them if they dont" along those lines I once read....one minute you guys says cmon ruff, its called fantasy for a reason, then you turn around and say, that woudnt be realistic....which is it? Im the one in the begening who wanted a real life situation to the game, , First time starter races, claiming races, allowance, Grade I , II , III , Derby, Breeders Cup, etc... I wanted it to be realistic like in real life racing , but then I got shot down for that saying , this is fantasy...Well if its fantasy, let us have the choice to either take a month to run a tournament, or add what I was talking about....I for one come to this site with nothing to do, besides buy horses and enter them in tourneys that start 2 weeks from now, and end over a month from now....then the Insta races that race sooner still take 3 days and in those, u will lose ur horses....there is no quick racing for non claimers....I play here everyday, race for my 6000 points, enter my horses , then sit and stare at this website thinking , now what do I do....the only option is to buy more horses because you have nothing else to do, maybe thats what they want, but the thing is I would buy more horses if races were run faster and more instant.....anyways, I tried lol

is while I have real qualms abut the game as it is ... I do get frustrated when I have currently 16 horses in trnys but yet have to buy points to pay my stable fees because they come up before any of my horses get get the points for me... that is frustrating... but I do like ruffs idea though I doubt I would run him thru in 3 days lol

I understand what you are saying and the confusion as to where the game is going , its early in the thread lets see how other are thinking or maybe puddles can give us a better idea as to the plus or nagitive and where the game is going , i am of the mindset that it would be kept as close to racing as possible , i also feel it still has a little way to go in delvelopment then we may see special event races , Derby , breeders cup ect . It would be nice to have some possivtive feed back from HRF.
Its always god to hear you views And to debate them .

-Craztphil-

Love the idea Ruff but i think theres alot to consider starting with the programing side of it. It would have to be totally overhauled and i'm not sure HRF is willing to do this as i don't think it's the direction they want to go. Aging is something else i would be concerned about...how often would your horse age? Saying this i do love the idea as it would be more like real racing. Maybe as a add-on to what we already have would be an option. 5 Daily races could be the same as one tournament as far as aging goes. This would also cut out earnings for your horses and the ability to make it to the breeding shed as these daily races would only give you points so cutting out tournaments would not be an option. Again i like the idea but alot to consider.

-ModGraphix-

Ruffiano, you need to understand, your retired horses are gone, and gone for good. This twisted petty desire you have to see your horses magically return isn't going to happen. You need to deal with that issue and get over it. Flyingdaaka and several others are pleased with the way the game operates. There is little need to change. Sure a few minor adjustments here and there, but wholesale changes are not welcome here. You say you have been here since the game started, well, maybe your time has come and gone here. Flyingdaaka welcomes the new ambitious intelligent trainer into the game. Right now, that is what the game is lacking, quality trainers.
If you have a small stable of 10 to 20 horses, you should have atleast one race a day to view. If you need more action, buy 50 to 100 horses. Then you can watch several more races a day. Not all is lost for you Ruffiano. This is progress from your more common rants about retired horses. You are atleast taking a small step in the right direction.

How about this I sent HRF all money and kill myself.

They said thats going to happen in 20 years, I'll lose all my money to HRF then kill myself.
So why wait 20 years when I can be dead in day.

Great Idea!

Everyone here has valid points. I think that, just as in REAL racing, your horse, in the above format, should be able to have 7-8 starts per year, making a 20 race career a possibility. The great Secretariat had 21 starts over 2 years (from ages 2 to 3 for those not in the know) which gave him an average of 10.5 starts per year. He arguably, if not for syndication, could have run 7-10 more races as a 4 year old. Point being, if this type of tourney went into effect, the ageing process as a whole would have to be changed. As it is now, I am not a supporter of the current ageing system. It is too hard to get a really good horse (for most people) and to think your horse could go from 2 to 5 years old in three days would be far too tough on the average trainer. I do think they could drop the claimer races, or at least add the option of allowance or graded races in place of claimers, and run it the same way, BUT, I still don't want my horse to age that fast. As it is right now, I have entered about 20 horses in tourneys that I know will have zero chance of winning. I don't go for winning percentages, I just like to let my horses run-that's what we pay for, even when they stink, it's better than not racing. Sometimes I enter my crap horses because that's all I have! We do need a class system too, something to keep the 130 SR's away from the 100's, as everyone should have at least some winners in their stables! I'm not saying that a top end horse can't enter these low end tourneys, but is it ethical to "bully" the lesser horses with your powerhouse? I would rather face the best competition around, if I ever get a really good horse that is. This could get lengthy, so I will stop this rant now!
As for the original idea, I'm sure Puddles and his team can find a way to implement something like these tourneys in the near future, provided there is enough interest from the community.

lol@jbcri09, now here is someone with the ideas we can all understand.

sundown

After thoroughly reading all of the above statements, perhaps some sort of compromise could be reached. HRF obviously can't go in every direction at once, but I think that maybe if they dropped the claimers and kept insta-tournaments more in line with your idea, that may work. The ageing would still be an issue though. Would anyone really want to see their best horse turn 5 years old in 3-4 days? It's hard to get to the top, and even harder to stay there. If all tourneys were run this way, you would barely be able to savor the flavor of your horse's success, as his career would elapse far too quickly! I still think that everyone needs to put their heads together and come up with a tourney list that everyone wants to, and can afford to run their horses in. Tough subject to tackle, as there are many ways to go in this game. How can HRF possibly make everyone happy? If they spread things too thin, we would be back to square one, with unfilled tourneys, and everyone complaining that they have no place to run their horses. Ugh!
Beefy

HRF as it is represent the dinner the movie with a date. You have to ask do I want to continue this? Does this person have potential to be the person I want to settle down and have a family with.

Your way you want HRF to be a Bunny Ranch, Escort Service.

Well this subject sure stired up the pudding. I am new to the game and still learning how it all works. However this plan may have some merit if toned down a little. Say it was set up something like the Inst-race but omly ran one or two days a week and ran all day on those days. Rotate the days so all members would have a shot at getting in on the action even if there jobs kept them tied down most of the week. I mean after all very few of us can go to the races everyday.

General Willie Passmore
5th Corps, 2nd Division, 3rd Brigade, AoP
The Copper Dollar

Tourneys

age 2 dating
age 3 engagement
age 4 marriage
age 5 kids
age 6-8 Divorce or Growing old together

Insta

age 2 #1 Did we talk after
age 2 #2 It went well but I dont know if it will work
age 2 #2 I cant and will never understand you
age 2 #3 Will someone please take this one off my hands

All day Insta to the death of ones horse

age 2-8 To busy to do anything else all day except to enjoy one own self needs

Just because I have a Idea doesnt mean they are going to change anything anyways, so ones who dont like it, Im pretty sure your safe. I have been reading all of the debates about stable fees, horses careers, etc, so I had a Idea is all...I for one when I turn on my xbox and want to play a online game, dont want to sit around for 1 month to play a game, thats why these are called video games, not real, video games are supposed to keep you occupied everytime you turn it on....If I for instance put on a copy of Madden, got online and it read, "you have 3 weeks and 2 days and 3 hours beforeyour team can play" I would turn it off and be bored. Now if you want to have realism, and not a video game mindset, then have everything in the game like real, where your horse ages by REAL time instead of how many races it runs. Have all the races set up like in real racing, be able to breed to your own horses, or to any horse that is in the breeding shed, not just to 50 of the same ones over and over....My whole point was , I love this game so much, I want to race, race , race, whenever I sign on to play, not wait a month after you purchase a horse, and in the meantime twiddle your thumbs ....People are so worried about their horses careers and such, my question is why? you race them, and you retire them, then they are gone and they are no use after that, even the ones that are at the top of the game dont get any recognition....so why worry about your horses career and fame...I bet if you ask anyone on the game who the top 5 horses are on the game, they woudnt be able to answer it, unless your the top 5 stables currently in the game...if its all about winning and not about your horse as a "pet" or a "breeder" then what difference does it make how fast they retire or how soon they run?...make it realistic, or make it totally a video game is my opinion....sure I will keep playing the way it is now, cause I love horses and the game..but everyone has dreams right?

You would be broke in 1 day. Send me all your money. Yes I have your results here you won 20 but lost 60.

THANK YOU FOR PLAYING GOODBYE

jbcri09 has the best ideas out there so far.......i think if there's enough people who wants this and HRF feels it can open another door for people who wants to try this then i am all for it, we all have our own way of playing this dosen't mean because you are against it you can't support it for other members.

sundown

Ruffiano and jbcri can not be seperated as they head into the stretch. Can not tell who is more insane at the moment, its a ding-dong battle......Ruffiano, usually the heavy favorite in an insane event is getting tested to the limit by jbcri....
Sundown, you need to improve the horses you put in claiming races for Flyingdaaka. Flyingdaaka was pleased with your first effort, but you seem to be slumping a tad. Could you step it up please ?? This 2nd one can not beat some of Flyingdaaka's retired slobs in training. The shot-gun is actually being pointed at Jagged Egde as we speak.

We do need a class system too, something to keep the 130 SR's away from the 100's, as everyone should have at least some winners in their stables! I'm not saying that a top end horse can't enter these low end tourneys, but is it ethical to "bully" the lesser horses with your powerhouse? I would rather face the best competition around, if I ever get a really good horse that is.

Bingo.Beefybruno has my applause.

"'We do need a class system too, something to keep the 130 SR's away from the 100's, as everyone should have at least some winners in their stables! I'm not saying that a top end horse can't enter these low end tourneys, but is it ethical to "bully" the lesser horses with your powerhouse? I would rather face the best competition around, if I ever get a really good horse that is.'

Bingo.Beefybruno has my applause."

Ditto

"Horse Lovers Are Stable People"

Someone should really get the ball rolling on this issue and bring it up thru a voting scheme or blog or whatever...I would but I don't know how to instrument it.
I think the base is already there through the race grading system as this game is very well thought out but there's got to be something that implements that extra inch and levels the playing field for all.I know that the majority of players here aren't doing very well at all,and it is in HRF'S best business interests to level the field competitively or risk losing the interest of many of the players here that will end up leaving if they cannot compete.
So it's really up to you guys,I'm doing very well thank you,but It is in everybody's interests to get the ball rolling and if you don't make some noise don't expect to be heard.

Maybe in the Insta format the horses shouldn't age for 8 or 10 races. Then you could decide for yourself how quickly they age. You could run them all in a few hours or a few days. You could even race once a week.

Just as long as there are races to enter and run when you sit down at the computer. That way you won't enter a horse on one day, and actually race 3 days later.

Lots of good ideas regarding quicker racing and class levels. I believe the only concern would be dilution and even more races not filling. If we can solve the races not filling issue we will be on our way. In my opinion, and I could be way off - it wouldn't be the first time, but since the game started including restricted race, instas and added a couple more racing surfaces, the payouts have dropped, the bonus have dropped and cancellations have increased. At least to my eye. The first tournament I won paid 862K points. What happen to those tournaments?

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May they all come home safely!!!

I'm pretty new to this game, but I do think there should be a class system. Beefybruno was right on! I got tired of breeding and breeding over to discover that your horses have no shot because you get trampled by 130s. Let the super size stables compete amongst themselves in the battle of 130+. I hope that there are also more restricted tournaments that would help because often you end up with feisty and courageous horses under the super horse category, but you hardly ever get to run them because of the lack of restricted tournaments. That would be more realistic because tournaments would fill up a lot faster and people would be able to keep the horses they really enjoy! Then you wouldn't just have to enter them just because it takes a month to find a suitable tournament or else pay stable fees forever. I'm not saying anything bad about super stables, but I would enjoy running horses together that are of fairly equal competition and not just trying to scoop up points. As far as the aging process goes if they made changes to the way they ran tournaments they may be able to tweak the aging process a bit. Instead of just 3 races for each year, it could be 4 races at age 2, 3 races at age 3 or something like that. Maybe that's just a bit too much. I also like the idea someone mentioned before about the maiden claimings, allowances, etc. I think that is reasonable because you don't race a multiple breeder's cup winner with a horse that is a lower class. If they can manage to fix that there's no way HRF wouldn't see an increase in the money spent because you would be able to race almost any horse you have bred competitively with other horses in his class.
I really like reading what people have to say and their ideas because it only helps to make the game better and hope to see changes happen with this topic!
P.S. - I'm also looking for a mentor if anyone is available on weekdays!

I believe the only concern would be dilution and even more races not filling. If we can solve the races not filling issue we will be on our way. In my opinion, and I could be way off - it wouldn't be the first time, but since the game started including restricted race, instas and added a couple more racing surfaces, the payouts have dropped, the bonus have dropped and cancellations have increased. At least to my eye.

All good points Ronwar and I do believe one of the numerous reasons races don't fill is because of the brutal competition the newer players face.
A brief investigation into other stables that log on will leave you face to face with stables that either have left the game or have many horses just sitting around with terrible records as a result of them not being able to compete on a more level tournament structure.Some even breed and place fatalistic names on their newborns at this juncture like"Born To Lose"...."I hope Lightining Dont Strike You In Final Stretch"...."Prayer For Fourth Place"...and other names of that nature.
Total frustration...I'm not gonna name names but I've seen them out there.
Others just log on to play the jockey game.And hope they can compete cause that's not very well classified either.
So I can indeed understand and agree with your view on dillution,but there has to be a way around it.
And I know Mike is a very keen guy and can adjust the game...otherwise a lot of players are going to fade away at their inability to compete.

These "super stables" have so many horses that they simply run out of tournaments to place them. So instead of having them sit around and pay stable fees, they enter them wherever they can. Plus the competition to get the stats is intense. Any way some of these trainers can get a cheap win to pad the stats, they will go for it.
The bottom line, if you want to compete in the game, you need to find a way to have good horses. With the boom in breeding lately, more and more good horses are entering the game. Your 120 in the stable is becoming more and more of a common horse in the game. You need to find SR 125 or above, with good courage and consistency. Just getting a SR 125 is not enough.
The restricted tournaments rarely fill. Most of the under 110 horses are being phased out of the game. Nobody is holding on to low SR horses, thus, low restricted tournaments are not filling. It all comes down to getting good horses in your stable. Sorry, but it is what it is.

Races I was talking about woudnt start another race until filled and gone off.....people would have to race to get to the next race....but yeh, if you are not the top stables, you have really no chance of having fun or winning, unless the program can figure out what potenial your horse has before you can enter a restricted race, because those races are going to be filled with 130 horses too...Top stables has tons of those horses, and are going to be in every tournament..no matter where you go, there they are....you either enter your horse with no chance just to be playing, by doing that your just padding stats of higher stables that can afford to purchase hundreds of horses, or you dont play like some people do now.....guys its expensive to compete here, you better have a high income from your job, or live with mommy at home that pays all your bills.....I bet most top stables are spending $150-$400 easily a month to play this game, most people arent going to do that because they have a brain, so thats where it is, either fork it out, or you dont compete.....to me the only way to stop this is a limit to how many horses you can buy a month....I play another SIM game and they only allow you to buy so many horses a month, that keeps it more on a fair playing field...but who knows

There are trainers who spend those kinds of resources you speak of, Ruffiano, and are still not competitive in the game. Flyingdaaka checks out stables who breed at this rate, and notices those types are often at a below 10% winning percentage. That is struggling with a capital S.
Flyingdaaka spoke of a "salary cap" type of breeding. A trainer may purchase a set amount of horses per month, and after that trainer exceeds the allotment for the month, an excess "luxury tax" is assessed. Much like what they have in Major League Baseball. The heavy breeders balked at the idea, calling Flyingdaaka all sorts of crazy names.

Name me any top stable that dont spend atleast $150 a month atleast.....who is in the top 5 that just has one horse? even 10 horses?.....you have to spend alot to get every tournament filled up with the same 130+ horses over and over again, I enter 120+ horses and get smoked everytime, and it took me sevral hundred dollars to get that with knowing the hot breeds,...anyways, I didnt come here to argue the obvious, I just had a Idea I wanted to run across all the trainers, so if you dont like the Idea, you dont, thats what I wanted to see......

I don't agree with trainers having a limit on how many horses they breed, why should we, spend what you like. A class system would be the answer here, it's as simple as that. Here in the UK it is very unlikely you will see a listed or grade 1, 2 or 3 horse in a handicap, claimer etc. They are simply rated to high to get in these type of races. It should be the same in this game. High sr horses should be limited to top races and so on. All the top horses compete against each other, all the lower grade horses against each other.

..to lower SR horses! And it's a challenge. (looking for 5 more entries in the "Just The Way To Go" by the way, starts tomorrow; http://www.horseracegame.com/community/trainer-tournament/220782/just-th..., fast dirt, mile, 3 year olds)

Little promotional advertising there, hope you don't mind

Anyway, speed rating isn't everything.

Many interesting ideas, but I think I'll just do what I can with what is for now, and see how this thing develops.

Nice idea by the way Ruff, wether HRF consider it is another matter. One thing I would like to see with the tournies as they stand is a shorter time from start to finish. I agree they are far to long. Why have prelim races a couple of days apart when they could be a day apart, this would halve the time.

what I have laying around Frosty. And you are right about speed ratings, my lowest rated horse in my barn beats all my others and is the only horse I have that has won a tourny!

A class system would be the answer here, it's as simple as that. Here in the UK it is very unlikely you will see a listed or grade 1, 2 or 3 horse in a handicap, claimer etc. They are simply rated to high to get in these type of races. It should be the same in this game. High sr horses should be limited to top races and so on. All the top horses compete against each other, all the lower grade horses against each other.

Totally agree.This needs to be implemented in the game or otherwise frustration will keep on setting in and it will cost business-wise as well as on the competitive scale.But unless a group get together and start pushing the message home nothing will change because Mike and his team are incredibly busy people who don't have the time to listen to scattered little messages.It has to be loud,united and clear for it to work,unless they already have something similar on their agendas which wouldn't surprise me.

Some of us are hanging on..

..to lower SR horses! And it's a challenge. (looking for 5 more entries in the "Just The Way To Go" by the way, starts tomorrow; http://www.horseracegame.com/community/trainer-tournament/220782/just-th..., fast dirt, mile, 3 year olds)

Little promotional advertising there, hope you don't mind

Anyway, speed rating isn't everything.

Congrats Frost,I like your attitude towards the game.

The restricted tournaments rarely fill. Most of the under 110 horses are being phased out of the game. Nobody is holding on to low SR horses, thus, low restricted tournaments are not filling.

True that,as well as your other comments,but as per this particular comment it just accentuates the need for better classification.
After all,one of the reasons these restricted tournaments don't fill is because they're not really restricted.
And you more than others know what I'm talking about.lol

Even if your idea doesn't take off, at least you got people to voice a lot of good opinions. Puddles has not chimed in yet, though he should take note of how many people appear to be FOR class systems. The restricted tourneys are a step in the right direction, though they may need to expand to 130+speed rated horses. It could be broken down easily, as long as the program recognized horses speed, which I'm sure it would, everyone would have a place for their horses to run. I would bet that the 110-120 group could be quite loaded, as it seems easier to get a few of these than just one horse over 130. I have bred 600+ in a year, and have had only 3 horses over 130, and two of them were little Lutes that couldn't run over a 110 in a tourney, so they are rare. Maybe the class system should be added when you create a race/tourney. I'm sure this would help with the voting. I do wonder, however, how many people actually enter the tourneys they vote "yes" for. Maybe it would be a truer sign of how many entrants there will be if, by voting yes, you are automatically signed up for that race. The only reason I bring this up is because, as it is now, you have to have an equal amount of both yes and no votes. I think that sometimes you may have to say no to a good tourney in order to get the tourney you want, approved. Who came up with that one? I think that if you vote yes, you should be doing so because you would actually like to be in that tournament, NOT because you need another yes or no to get the 3 tourneys you want. Does everyone follow that? It's more of an accountability thing. Don't say yes unless you intend to race. They spend time and money creating tourneys that people say yes to, only to have them not fill up-that makes no sense. Think before you vote!
HRF staff- I do hope all of you have noticed this very public outcry for a class system!

I'm all for this... we need some instant gratification around here :) Anything that would spice up the game would be a plus and make it more of a "game" then making one chess move per week would be awesome! Even having some 1v1 match races where we could run for 10-20-50k side bets vs other community members would be great. Puddles and crew can code that overnight with some redbulls :)

I like ruffiano's idea from the gaming standpoint. It has some real possibilities. I on the other hand am more into the daily routine and acting like I'm a big time trainer(ha..ha...ha). I think there is room for the action that ruffiano wants but maybe as a seperate entity. I like the idea that I bred my horse Zenopoly in August (2009) and he is still here racing. He has slowed quite a bit but it is still fun to judge where his ability is and try to get those last few good races out of him before he hits the glue factory. To me, the funpart of train is judging your horses ability and trying to put him where he will have success. (and win points...lol) I do agree the the tourneys are too drawn out though. Lets say a tourney starts on the first of the month. Lets then figure that the tourney actually starts racing a few days later. If there are 8 total races,,,,run them day after day without skipping days. It is over in 8 days instead of 3 weeks. Another idea might be to have some tourneys double up and run two of their races in the same evening. That would cut the tourney time in half. I'm sure that is all easier said than done.
All in all, i like the game as is with a few minor changes. I think the ruffiano idea could be fun also as a seperate part (trainer game fast time version). I think it would be very difficult for mike and the crew to implement this together as one entity and keep everyone happy. If there was a way to create the faster version under the same company but with different rulles and such...it might be interesting for the avid gamers in the crowd. Anyway, for whatever it is worth..those are my thoughts.

bigdog236

After all,one of the reasons these restricted tournaments don't fill is because they're not really restricted.

I'm not sure I understand why its so tough for the restricted races to fill, if there such a demand for tournaments with lessor horses.

Secondly, there will always be losers and some will win more than others. Furthermore, there will always be a top five considered super trainers and there will always be a group at the bottom that only win 10% of there races. I'm not sure if this spread the wealth campaign will ever work. Not that I will not try to help your cause, that's not what I'm saying, but this "level the playing field" so every one wins makes me scratch me head sometimes.

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May they all come home safely!!!

On the game itself, doesnt the program recognize the horses potential SR? Like when you go to Horse Information, then under your horses list there is a title that says, (Estimated Speed Rating Obtainable By This Horse) ....Cant the game program recognize this , and when joining restricted tournaments or say they get some sort of Class racing going, woudnt there be a way for the program to know your horse belongs there or not? Like in the earliest jockey tournaments I remember it would shade out the oppertunity for you to even join if your pps was too high for the tournament...cant that be done with this too?

ronwar, why would you enter a restricted 100 sr tournament knowing there is proably a 120+ horse in it every time? thats just throwing away points and money to me....I dont want to even the playing field by dumbing it down, I wish there were other parts of the game to be fun to play for those who dont rule the roost....not everybody is going to be a ace trainer, that leaves %95 of people that are just entering tournaments knowing they have no chance just to win, just to be able to play...not everyone has several hundred dollars to be able to be a good trainer breeder, so where does that leave the others?

In a perfect world the SR would be a nice class determiner (probably not the best word). But my guess is since even that number isn't always even close to actual, then it can not be based on SR rating. That SR rating might be based on only one surface/going, and maybe even one track he/she likes the most, plus the peak age.

Horses peak at different times, depending mostly on their parentage. I have a 131 horse that so far never gets close to that number. It would suck if I couldn't race him in middle payout tournies. Maybe when he hits his peak at 5.7 years old then we'll see.

I would love a class system idea though, because as long as people can exploit the game, some will continue to do so.

Not that I will not try to help your cause, that's not what I'm saying, but this "level the playing field" so every one wins makes me scratch me head sometimes.

This is not what classification is for.Take a look at real racing and you'll see that the purpose isn't so that everyone wins,but rather to place horses in more level
competition as per their skill and ability.
This is where the game is lacking...it tries to level the field somewhat but falls way short.
This is also where the lack of interest comes from,because players who are learning the game have no true way to measure their skills.
Go to any tournament and you'll see the same old players there.
There are many new players but they come and go quickly because they cannot compete.
And with the breeding being as it is,as well was stated by Flying D...unless there is a better way to classify tournaments,it is going to get much harder for newbies to stay in the game.

I would love a class system idea though, because as long as people can exploit the game, some will continue to do so.

Exploitation.That's exactly the word I was looking for,thanks.lol

You can't determine class by the SR. One mans 120 might not be as good as someone elses 110. Plain and simple.

True,but there may be a way to level the field aside from SR's.
Just don't ask me how.lol
I'm sure Mike who's much smarter than I am(as far as horses and business,at least)can figure something out.

Grade 1
Grade 2
Grade 3

For horse rated 120 and above?

0 - 120
0 - 115
0 - 110
0 - 105
0 - 100 etc etc

Just an example

Offers competitive racing and all horses have a chance of winning

then in real racing , why dont you see the likes of secretariat running in claiming races, or low allowance races? to me on this game, every tournament no matter the restriction, has the same type of 130 sr horse in it..either make different classes for all to enjoy, or just have only one type of tournament only the top 5 stables win everything, every week, every month....everytime I log on I think Im in a game where there is only 5 players in the trainer game, cause I only see those in that trainer tournament win box daily....in real racing if it wasnt such a big deal like some of you think its not, they would only have grade I racing and no other types of classes....%5 of trainers are enjoying winning or atleast being "able" to compete on here Id say because they make more money at their day jobs or have more money to blow on a game, is that good for the game?