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Oblitz, ONE THING only I want to say you: don't race Cronix on SLOP.

First slop tournaments are the worst .Breed for top horses on the dirt but race only if you have to in the slop. Over the next 2 weeks we are publishing more and more restricted tournaments with more restrictions tied to these events . This will help a ton. Players with horses that have speed ratings in the 100 range will do well in these events . The restrictions will not only include the surface the tournament final is being raced on but other surfaces as well. In addition there will be restrictions tied to horse ever racing before or not as well.

Yes there are some players that are dominating in the game that is for sure but that is the way it is in this sport . The new restricted tournaments will allow you to be way more competitive .

sorry about your frustration. I dont have time to look over why your good horses are doing bad, I can only comment that their is NO correlation between how much you spend and how well your horses do.

The only reason those who spend more money have a better chance of "rolling" a superstar, only because of pure numbers but each time you create a new horse you have the exact same odds of creating a superstar as the those who spend lots of money.

I have one horse and he he is damn good right now. I have only bred 20 or so since the beginning and had two good horses. So my thoughts are 1 out of every 10 times I get a good one. Thats how I work the math.

Maybe you are putting your horses in really tough spots, maybe they are very inconsistent or maybe they are not as good as you think....just so you know the odds are not a good way of judging how good your horse is....really only way is their speed ratings over time.

say a millionaire came to this game and spent $100,000 on breeding, well heck, he would have more chances to get a better horse because of how many chances he gets to breed a good one. Its all about money first, then luck second....the more money you poor into breeding, the better chance you have in getting a great horse. Ask any of the top guys, and Ill bet they have more retired horses than anyone else in the game, they would have to, its basic math....

What lele said. You have a good horse there as shown by his first race. Put him in spot where he can excel. It all about placement and a little luck. Unless your horse is burning down the track in practice on slop running 150's consistently he will not fit in a slop tourney in my opinion.

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May they all come home safely!!!

I can understand your frastrtion oblitz , i was in your shoe once if Puddles wishes he can tell you how i use to complain .Ronwar ,Dede ,xaunda 77 and others encourage me to stick it out ,i have now won 5 breeder cup Finals.

IN reguards to the restrictions races there need to be more restriction i see horses winning with sr far over 100, first time runners that is. Puddles need to have maiden races for first time runner and races for non winner of 2 race etc and restriction races of 100 and under for horses that already grace the track

Unless of course you're xrays01 and breed a 150+ on your first try.

The restrictions will not only include the surface the tournament final is being raced on but other surfaces as well. In addition there will be restrictions tied to horses that have not and have raced before as well. One example is, certain restricted tournaments will not allow first time starters . Other restricted tournaments will not allow a horse to enter who has exceeded the maximum SR on any track surface (not just one)

All these improvements sound wonderful. I'm looking forward to the new patch and all the upcoming goodies like a kid at Christmas time. Are they imminent? Every time I open the game, I half expect there to be an update ready to go.

Xray, need to give us the secret to breeding, he straight out pimped us rolled in here bred ONE horse and it ended up being highest SR in game...Xray please share

anyway i can feel your pain, the finals are starting to get to me also...don't use slop to judge your horses

sundown

Let's all pool our cash together and send him to the Keeneland Sale.

i think the time in the slop can be misleading ..i just completed a tournament in slop was the top money earner there ,felt like a sure winner for the finals doing like 1.14 odd for 6.5 fur , in the final i came seventh met up on some bigger gun ..congrats to the winner.

I'm feeling something similar. I have a stable of 20 - no stars... my best isn't as good as cronix and he run a stinker to miss out on his (and my) first final. Never seen him run so bad on the same track, distance and time of year. So, after a chat with my Mentor, we put it down to a clunker and possibly poor training causing lots of other things to go bad. Looking closer at my race I noticed she tried to sprint from start to finish (she likes to be up front) - when I tried this in Private mode I got a similarly poor performance from her. So for me the issue is how to prevent the horse from trying to lead when the opposition is too strong.

I'm even newer at this than you - but I thought I would take a look at your race and the horses involved.
First things first - Great horse... can I buy her? As far as I could tell - and ignoring the surface for now - the only horse in the race that could challenge was the eventual winner. So how did you finish so far back?
I'm not sure, but here's my guess...
I think the early leader (Want a Blue Badge) must have a LOT of early pace. If your horses style is to be a front runner and she can't match that pace then she's gonna waste energy trying to keep up. If you also instructed the Jockey to start fast (maybe you spotted the early pace in the race and wanted to try and beat it?) then ZAP there's your energy gone.
Watching the race, your horse takes very little time off of the pace anywhere in the race - just a slight break before the corner - so is probably draining max energy all the way. The leading pair have a nice little rest on that corner - I reckon there must be like a cruise speed at which you use a minimum of energy - so they have something left for the final push at the end. The closers with late runs all had a nice little break at the start of the race.

Now, combine this with poor training (I dunno how to spot if the pre-race training was good or not - sorry) and a clunker and the possibility that the surface isn't right and all the negative points multiply up to give you an SR of 103 - a rating you probably hardly ever get on FAST never mind SLOPPY!

If earlier training sessions have an impact too then that could be a factor (it's easy for me to believe that using too much energy in a training session leaves less energy for the rest of that tourney. There may even be a recovery time involved - your two races were on consecutive days? But I'm guessing big time now).

That's all I've got - and could all be rubbish!

My decision on this game is to try and be a lot more selective on the tourneys I run - not push my better horses beyond their comfort zone (unless I get a Wells Fargo!) and hope not to run into horses who's styles are going to upset me!
I know this is going to make things slow - but that gives me time to look at posts like this!

The good news (for me) is that one of my donkeys has made a final - true, it's not worth many points and I can't win it... but I might get a place and win a couple of points!! And I placed the horse before really understanding as much as I do now... imagine how far along we'll be in another month?

I hope I've been of some help - if only to let you know you're not alone!

If anyone else has studied this race and horses and can offer anything more (especially corrections!) please do - I'll take as much help as I can get!!

I didn't think training had any bearing on the tournament at all....how could training make a horse have less energy..Only thing I thought training did was to figure out where your horse belongs such as what distance surface he likes the best...am I wrong?

I am going to add what I have experienced to what everyone else has said. I have bred a lot of horses that excell on slop. These horses do run high 140's and above in training. They do OK on slop. I only have 2 that really excell on slop in tourneys, and they are running 150's and above in training. I have horses that run 130's on slop and they get their butts whipped in a tounrey. Those inflated SR's are the reason. Like everyone else has said, it gives you a false sense of hope that these horses are going to very well. They aren't, you pretty much have to have a monster to compete on slop. I would find what other surface your horse excells on and try that. That is what I did with my 130's, and they like at least one other surface and do well in tourneys.

As for getting a monster, I have bred a lot of horses for what I could afford to do. I have gotten, 2 that excell on slop, one is a millionaire. I wouldn't say he is a moinster, but he is close. It took me a long time to get him. I have a couple more just as good of horses as those two, but NOT on slop. They like turf or synthetic. I will say, I have not had one horse out of the 200 or so that I have bred, that has been any good on Fast dirt. Not one. Like puddles said, this game is just like horse racing, the reason the bigger stables do so well, is because they can breed a lot of horses. Their retired horse lists are longer than ours, just like their list of excellent horses or monsters is longer. I am sure if you asked, Mod, Brian, Racodo, Cardoso and some of the other bigger stables, they will tell you there list of retired horses is probably pretty big.

I know it can be frustrating, but if you hang in there like me and some of the others have done, you will eventually get that monster. We all can't be as lucky to get a monster the first horse we breed like xray. And we all can't put in the money that some members can, so it may be slower for us, but we will get there eventaully. But I do know a couple of beginners that got horses good enough to win them points for them.

"Horse Lovers Are Stable People"

What I meant by pre-race training was the workouts... I get confused with my terminology... sorry :)

That 6 furlongs in 1:06 and change might have done your horse in. That's world record type time. Many horses succumb to fast fractions like in this race and finish far back. Just a thought.

Are there any other surfaces aside from slop that tend to inflate speed figures? Hard turf? Soft turf? I have a few horses that seem to run their hearts out on soft turf in practice, getting pretty big figures in the 130+ range. Are these inflated, or do my horses just love the soft going that much?

Soft turf gets these inflated figures too. I'd say, identical to the sloppy dirt surface speed ratings. I wish we didn't have these inflated ratings, but I'm sure HRF put them there for a reason.

I believe your top horse is number 11 in standings so far in this tournament. Only 8 will go to the final. Might be hard to get in.
It could be that the leaders are of superior class. This is not meant to be a put down on your horse.
In my opinion, there's always a reason why a horse that should do better doesn't meet the expectations of his/her trainer. Time will tell. Good luck in future races. Like I said earlier, those were very fast fractions at all calls. That had to have an affect.

Where we can decide which of the trainers in syndicate should win the tourneys or not...this way theres a balance everyone can take turns winning....heheh

like real racing....pulling horses i think they call it.

if u guys wanna try mail me....smiles

lee

Uh no... I'd prefer to win every single tournament there is.

Thanks everyone for the words. I have learned some things here. I went back and reviewed Cronix history. He is a 112 on turf, 118 on wet and 117 on dry fast. I will contribute the loss to a poor training decision to enter him into slop. With the inflated slop sr's and with him only having a 118 on slop that (i know now) is piss poor. Especially when he is an equal 117 and 112 on turf and dirt. I never should have been in this tourney. I am going to stay away from the slop, it is to confusing to understand without knowing the exact scale when on slop. 150 slop = 120 on dry. 30 point diff. I am not giving up just getting frustrated why I cannot figure this out.
I would have taken this up with my Mentor but he took a hiatus in the middle of training so I have been on my own for several weeks. I am looking forward to the different Restricted races since 11 of my active 13 horses will probably be strictly in those races and according to Puddles should be able to do well since they fall in the 85 to 110 range.

Anyway, thanks guys and gals for the input, I will keep working hard to be a contender. See you on the track!

i think some training instructions have a lot to do with how horses performs in some races, no reason to instruct them to slow your horse down a bit going 5-6F, no need to push your horse out faster going longer distances...

p.s. i agree with cutting out the garbage that invaded this post

In the training portion of game, I, for the most part, just let them run their own style. That's the way I jockey too. Works fine for me.
Actually, I haven't noticed much of a difference between the three choices. Any feedback on this?

Garbage is right...I'm sure there is plenty of other places online to talk politics. Glade to be back on topic. Have you guys been able to update your trainer game races tonight? -Chris-

Not me I'm having the same problem.

my post had nothing to do with politics and it was deleted. All I stated was that soft turf in my opinion does not have inflated speed figures. Odd.

We are still having technical issues...try this for a quick fix for now...
Download a trainer race from yesterday (not yours) you should then be able to update any races that have been run so far tonight.

-Having A Seinfeld Kinda Day-

I PARTIALLY agree with DD, around 5pt inflated... (soft turf)

nice one Mod, works!

When deleting a post, it automatically deletes any replys to said post. So If you replied to one of the deleted posts it would have deleted yours also. Feel free to post again. I have found soft turf rating to be slightly inflated. Not near as much as sloppy dirt though. -Chris-

oh.. now I undestand why also my 2 posts in a row after DD were deleted..

I wrote the same thing of Bhd, around 5pts inflated(surely not more than 10) in my opinion (soft turf)

Does anyone remember when soft turf ratings were similar to sloppy dirt ratings???? Possibly I'm wrong, but it seems to me that they were. My memory is going back about one year.

I remember but i think that was the other soft ground when we had 2 soft ground options.
-craztphil-

Yep I remember, you could get crazy high speed ratings on that 2nd soft turf option.

....and on the other soft usually the horse was poor....
Something like sloppy and heavy... that's why heavy races should not be in sloppy tourneys..

I must have been using the option that gave these high inflated soft turf times. Glad they don't have those options now. Soft turf would have been enough.
Anyway, I've never supported inflated ratings. A 1:34 mile on fast dirt in, say, 120 hypothetical rating and a 1:34 mile on dirt sloppy 140 hypothetical rating just doesn't make sense to me. The rating should be the same. IMO I wish this could be changed and make it more realistic. Why get boasting priviliges, when your 140 rating in the slop is, in reality, closer to a 120 rating??? This could get confusing. I'm sure many think that their horse is 20 points better. I don't see it that way.

I also always take 10 to 20 points off those inflated SR's. Brings it back to more where it should be to me anyway.
Those other soft option did have those higher numbers, I am glad we only have the one option on those now.

"Horse Lovers Are Stable People"

Wow, what a difference 24 hrs makes. I got a first a second and a third tonight. Even my 35:1 horses over achieved. Stabled did better than expected in all of their races! I'm not one of those players that needs to win every time to stay happy, but being competitive is enough.

Congrats oblitz, see...... you just had to hang on and your horses will be competitive enough to get rid of the frustration. I was at the other end yesterday and the first part of today, but then one of my new babies has picked me back up with a prelim win by 12 lenghts and an SR of 140 something. I had no idea he had it in him. :)
You may get down, but there is always something to pick you back up with this game for me.....

"Horse Lovers Are Stable People"

This training gig is a lot of ups and downs. No wonder the really good ones are few and far between. I'm not just talking here at HRF, but real trainers in real races with real stables and real losing streaks with real owners getting really frustrated about not getting any returns on their real money. Think of how much fun that's gotta be. I've had days in here when I've had a bunch of starters I thought had great chances and none of them came through. If I get a few of those days in a row, I start to get frustrated, to put it mildly. And then I'll win three of five with a second and a fourth tossed in and I feel like Charlie Whittingham, only to have three consecutive 2-1 shots run far, far out of the money the next day. Isn't training fun??

I've experienced it in both places and believe me it's much easier to take here but it's funny because the frustration level is comparable :)

-Having A Seinfeld Kinda Day-

Where ya been mate, avoiding me??? Haven't met up with ya for weeks!
It's the hairy bastard thing isn't it?
Knew i shoulda waxed before this shoot!!
I need ya back in the jockey tournys mate so i can beat some one! LOL
I've been having shockers!!! I'm thinking of goin' on a big walkabout (or bounceabout!) and not coming back!
May be we can meet up some where and drown our sorrows?? :))
And P.S. Contradictory to my photo.... No offence but, NO mate,i don't think your sexy!!! LOL :P

Jack! Your such a flirt! I don't really Jockey race anymore. I never planned on that part of the game anyway. I was interested in Training from the start and I am concentrating on that right now.

Jack,
Possibly a long walk in the outback would be good. I agree. That would be cool. Go to the top of Aryes Rock, scream as loud as you could. More than once. You'll feel better. Then, walk back to civilization, go into a pub and have several cold ones with your friends. Drink all night if necessary. You'll feel even better. Then come back to the HRF environment and start fresh.

thanks for your wise and calming words. Sounds like a damn good idea! And being pretty hot over here this time of year, i reckon i better have those beers that you suggested too. You have to keep your fluids up in the heat ya know! Doctors' orders!!! LOL :)))
Cheers mate, i'll be off then. If i'm not back by New Years' Eve, send in the search party. A dingo may have got me!!! LOL

Hello everybody,
I am very new to this game. Only 5 days into it but 10 hours a day and many hours reading, learning.
I have only the 1 horse as a free newbee and i think he has great patential. if he comes last in my upcoming tournament i will be shattered to. Interesting even in advance mode imy trianer horse gets top weight EVERY time... and im talking 10 higher then others. So i run the race as is..... take note of distance betten and time of winner/ SR. Then run the axact same race again, same oposition and i simple adjust my horses weight, speed level and jockey stats... You will be shocked a the outcome. 1 race betten 10 lengths, the next winner by 2.5 lengths.. interesting!!!
I get rolled alot in advance mode playing with different combinations BUT he wins allot to. SR of 90-100 most times but he dies on any track less then firm. hahahahahah and dies over 5f to. my options are only 1. ....wait for tournies that suit him so he ages and i vet him.

ruffiano your commet on millionares is right.
I have learnt allot in my very short time here but i have 1 opinion which works in real life to.
You spend thousands on a super star 2 year old you better be prepared to retire it after 3 tournies when it ages because 90%of super horses have only 1 good year in them... the other 10% are the champoins we all know and remember. Now if your looking to buy a real super horse or horse file that will win you lots of tournies as a 3, 4 and 5 year old then be prepared loose plenty as a 2 year old.
Ofcorse there are many exceptions to this BUT i believe ALL horses in real life have a set time frame in age/life where they are super. That is why the horses here will also be pre-programed from breeding.
I would suggest to all newbee players and vip's to. Play the game for fun,don't spend cash just to have 1 good horse, spend it to have fun OR do it free for a while like me.
Life is a gamble so make this place fun for yourself.
Right this minute my wife is yelling somthing at me BUT she can wait because i'm in the GAME!!!
Thanks guys/girls for having me here and chat soon.
Dave

my first 30 stats for my stable is 32-0-0-0 and i never give up and i always see the good horse had enter to this tournament or not before i enter now my stable is 109-14-17-14-9 so far i think this horse racing game i played is the best the others are not fun at all no jockeying no trainer instruction for horse and more important we can race our horse in private mode.

Obviously it will work differently for some hoses i have learned in my very short time here. you already know that from your time here.

My personal experience...... My boy explodes out of the gate. 5 lengths clear after a few strides. by the time he needs to settle
( about 1f or more he is still going hard... this is awesome to watch and gets your heart pumping BUT frustrating because he is using way to much energy early.
Now if i change to ( slow down or faster) he pulls right and starts heading middle track. ( if i ride him and try to slow him down or speed him he does the same thing. interesting)
If i select (ride normal) he stays in his lane position full distance.
so for me i found it does seriously alter my horse ( very badly)
WHAT DID WORK 4 ME......... selecting ride normaly but adjusting the target speed to 1 or 2 less then the opposition. he still bolts like a rocket but seems to settle a little sooner then normal ..
IMPORTANT......... my performance report reads
Peak age : This horse`s peak age is at 4.6 years old.

Jockey Instructions Rating : This horse is very head-strong and more times than not will not follow your jockey instructions.

I must say this is only my personal experience however if your report reads similiar then trying to slow or faster the jockey probably will do harm not good.
( but here at HRF anything could happen just as in real life)

hope my experiences help some others with same problem.

Dave