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Puddles just mentioned in his update thread today about many foreign horse files coming out soon. I think he said next week. Phar lap is already included in the horse files for great horses from the past. He's really good, as you could imagine. I forget, it might say, horses before 1950. You'll figure it out. Nice file.

I would like to see, Ribot considered as one of our great sires. Brushing Groom too.

I would like to see a horse that I think could have been a good one. Forgive my spelling. Fugiachy Pegasus.
Rooster

LURE!

Vigors would be neat, Storm Cat, Giants Causeway,Sea The Stars, and Unbridled !!!

Miesque and Danzig.

Elusive Quality, Sea the Stars, Mr Prospector,Zabeel ( Australasian champion turf horse and sire) Sir Ivor

Victory Gallop

it is Fusaichi Pegasus.

I would like Falbrav and the japanese Deep Impact then the super filly Peeping Fawn + the queen Zarkhava.

edit: also Peintre Celebre

How could anyone forget, "Kingston". Early twentieth century. I believe he raced through his tenth year, when most good ones are retired to stud. Something that most breeders don't think is good.
Well, he was an outstanding race horse and did very well at the breeding sheds. How bout, "Fair Play"??? Didn't do too bad with, Man O' War. LOL
Speaking as a member from America, all great race horses world wide should be recognised and considered as a stallion on our HRF game. It is important not to forget their accomplishments on their native soil. More than one country contributes to this fantastic sport.

Also, Something Royal, (Secretariats mom) Medaglia D'oro, and...my son was talking to me, and now I forgot the third one. Nearartic?, Northern Dancers Sire-I think... I'm sure they will add good ones, if they do. I thought they were simply updating the "special breed" horses, not adding new ones. I did not read the post.
Beefy

Where did it ever say they were adding new sires/dams to the breeding list? I never read that, I real that they are adding European horse files to buy and download though.

were expressing our choices of stallions and mares to add to the breeding list, if the developers ever decided to add more. The developers have never talked about dong this, however. Kind of a wsih list. Nasrullah would be nice. Nashua's Daddy.

Are you serious. I though they were adding new horses to breeding. So the new horses are going to the horse files???

I wouldn't mind seeing Zippy Chippy on here also. That Horse had an incredible record lol

http://www.horseracegame.com/community/content/blogs/puddles/20-11-2009/...

Ohio, Here's the newest update(click on link provided) from Puddles, posted the other day. He mentions 14 new foreign horse files to be added for purchase. To my knowledge, there's never been any posts by HRF staff talking about adding more horses to the breeding part of game. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens some day. In fact, I suspect it will.

Even with his incredable bloodlines, he never won a race, lossing all 100 starts. I imagine, from the way some talk, that there are many Zippy Chippy's in our HRF stables. LOL

Only thing that has been mentioned is removing the special traits from the select horses already available for breeding.

-ModGraphix-

The way i understand it is that they are getting rid of the special traits for certain horses in the breeding shed, and adding horse files to existing files. No new horses being added to breeding shed, though it would be nice.

There has not been any information by HRF regarding any new horses to the Sires and Dams list in the "Shop".
Horse files are a separate item that are sold in the Shop. Special Traits are being removed from the current horses that have them.

I was just asking the question, "Will there be any new additions to the Sire's and Dam's at the Shop anytime soon?"

Then I asked the trainers which horses they would like to see in the Shop (as Sires & Dams).
This may never come to pass, it is just a wish list, suggestion box if you will of the intrest of trainers. With the number of horses submitted a majority may not even be considered if at all. If nothing else lets make this informative as to the horses mentioned by the community.

I researched some of the ones I could find information on, here are five that I could locate, I think they are all very good choices. If anyone can find information on the others it would be great.

From the "Unofficial Throughbred Hall of Fame"
Fair Play
"In the early days of the thoroughbred, the saying was "Snap for speed, and Matchem for truth and daylight." In America, it was Matchem's male line descendant Fair Play who provided the stamina in a similar equation. He led the sire's list three times and sired a total of forty nine stakes winners. His most famous son was the great Man o' War, but Fair Play also sired five other runners whose earnings exceeded one hundred thousand dollars. They were 1927 Horse of the Year Chance Play; 1924 Belmont Stakes winner Mad Play; 1927 Belmont Stakes winner Chance Shot; handicap champion Mad Hatter, who won the 1924 Suburban Handicap and two editions of the Metropolitan Handicap; and the legendary rebel Display, winner of, among other things, the 1926 Preakness Stakes."
Race Record
Year Starts Wins Seconds Thirds Earnings
Lifetime 32 10 11 3 $86,950

Kingston 1884 brown colt by Spendthrift out of Kapanga by Victorious
Race Record, Kingston
Starts Wins Seconds Thirds Earnings
138 89 33 12 $ 138,917.00
Titles: Co-Champion 3 Year Old Colt 1887, Champion Older Male 1888-1890, Hall of Fame
From Wikipedia
"At three, he won 13 of his 18 starts. At four, he won 10 of 14. At five, he came home first 14 times in 15 tries. At six, he won nine of his ten starts. At seven, he started 21 times and won 15. He also set the record at 7 at the old Futurity course at Sheepshead Bay of 1:08 for six furlongs. At the age of eight, he won 13 of his 20 races. At nine, 9 out of 25, but in most of these 25 races he took home money. In his last year of racing, when he was 10 years old, he won 4 of his 9 starts against much younger horses.
Not a gelding, still he raced way past the age when intact horses are retired to stud. Many experts believe a stallion sours if he’s raced too long, but as a sire, Kingston was as good as he was a race horse. Two years after he went to stud he was already a leading sire. He led the American sire list in 1900 and 1910. Kingston died in Kentucky on December 6, 1912."

Miesque's Race Record
Year Starts Wins Seconds Thirds Earnings
Lifetime 16 12 3 1 $2,070,163
From Wikipedia
"Miesque (born March 14, 1984 in Lexington, Kentucky, United States) is a champion thoroughbred filly race horse best known as the first horse to win two Breeders' Cup Championships back-to-back.
Born from the mare Pasadoble, Miesque was sired by Nureyev, a son of Northern Dancer. Owned by Greek shipping tycoon Stavros Niarchos, Miesque spent most of her career racing in Europe. Stabled in France and trained by François Boutin, Miesque won three of her four races as a two year old, including two Grade 1 Stakes Races and was voted the 1986 Champion 2 year old filly in France.
Under jockey Freddy Head, at age three Miesque won the 1,000 Guineas in England and the Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (the French 1,000 Guineas). Miesque achieved international stardom when she defeated a talented field of mostly male horses in the prestigious 1987 Breeders' Cup Mile, in the process setting a Hollywood Park track record. Her powerful performance earned her the 1987 Eclipse Award for Outstanding Female Turf Horse plus she was named 3-year-old Filly Champion and Champion Miler in both France and England.
The following year, Miesque raced only four times, winning three and finishing second once. She returned to the U.S. to defend her Breeders Cup title at Churchill Downs in Kentucky and once again was up against a very strong field of older males including Belmont Stakes winner Bet Twice and the Daniel Wildenstein-owned champion, Steinlen. Despite the fierce competition, the filly won the race by four lengths, making her the first ever back-to-back winner in Breeders Cup history. The performance earned her a second straight Eclipse Award for Outstanding Female Turf Horse for 1988 and she was again voted France's Champion Miler of the year plus was named that country's Champion Older Mare.
Miesque retired after the 1988 season. Of her sixteen lifetime races, the filly won twelve, finished second three times, and third once. She has been a successful broodmare at the Niarchos farm in Kentucky, producing several stakes winners with sires such as Mr. Prospector.
In the Blood-Horse magazine ranking of the top 100 U.S. thoroughbred champions of the 20th Century, Miesque was ranked #82. She was inducted into the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame in 1999. The annual Prix Miesque at the Hippodrome in Maisons-Laffitte, Yvelines and the Miesque Stakes at Hollywood Park Racetrack in Inglewood, California are held in her honor."

Phar Lap
Australia's "Red Terror" raced but once in North America, but with that sensational performance he established himself as one of the best racehorses to ever run on this continent.
Foaled in New Zealand on October 28, 1926, Phar Lap raced in the name of Harry Telford and David J. Davis. He was a big horse, measuring 17.1 hands at the withers and boasting a seventy-nine inch heartgirth. His great stride measured twenty-three feet, seven inches, a span bettered by only a handful of horses.
The chestnut gelding was trained by Harry Telford and his assistant, Tommy Woodock. Like many big horses, he wasn't immediately a sensation. He needed five tries to break his maiden, but finally accomplished the feat on April 27, 1929. It was the final start of his juvenile campaign.
He began his three-year-old season a few months later, and despite a slow start he ended the campaign with more than a dozen wins.
It was at the age of four that Phar Lap began to shine. Most notably, he carried 138 pounds to victory in the two mile long Melbourne Cup. That historic race was his only loss as a five year old, when he failed under the stunning impost of 150 pounds.
Phar Lap's Race Record
Year Starts Wins Seconds Thirds Earnings
Lifetime 51 37 3 2 $301,402

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Storm Cat
Starts Wins Seconds Thirds Earnings
8 4 3 0 $ 570,610
Storm Cat (born in 1983) was an American Thoroughbred stallion whose breeding fee during the peak of his stud career was $500,000, the highest in the world. As such, he was one of the few horses with a 24 hour armed guard.
He was sired by Storm Bird, a son of Northern Dancer. His dam is Terlingua, who was sired by Secretariat. During his racing career the bay won the Grade I Young America Stakes at The Meadowlands, and finished second by a nose in that year's championship deciding race, the Breeders' Cup Juvenile.
Best known for the success of the racehorses he has sired and his many successful sons at stud, Storm Cat stood at stud at Overbrook Farm in Lexington, Kentucky. In 1999 and 2000, he was the leading sire in North America. As of August 2008, he has sired 32 winners of Group 1/Grade 1 stakes, 99 winners of group or graded stakes races, and 166 stakes winners worldwide who have earnings in excess of $115 million. He was the leading sire of stakes winners in North America in 2005.
His stud fee from 2002 to 2007 was $500,000 for each live foal, but his final published fee was reduced to $300,000 for 2008."

Wow, someone else goes where I go all the time. LOL I mean, my interests and knowledge of this fabulous sport. Where my mind goes each day. I think I love the history of thoroughbred horse racing more than anything. Another interesting read, for a learning experience, is to read about how the owners of, Swaps, barrowed money from their bank and went to Europe to purchase his sire, Khalad. Then brought that guy back to America to breed. Swaps was the result of using Khalad as a stud, with, Iron Reward.
I consider him (Swaps) one of the most underated champion race horses of all time. I could say the same about, Native Dancer, the gray ghost. Everyone should know these two great thoroughbred race horses.

I would like to see Cozzene, Rachel Alexandra, War Pass, Sea Biscuit, and Cocoa Beach.

~~~Sharon~~~

Domino........ St. Simon........ Eclipse, going way back in time and continuing the dream.

The picture is of me and Jockey Hall of Famer Gary Stevens. I was fortunate to run into him at the Breeders Cup and he was gracious enough to take this picture with me (He had the TVG cameraman take the picture).

Seabuscuit is already on the current Sires list at the Shop.
From Wikipedia
Elusive Quality (foaled 1993 in Kentucky) is a thoroughbred racehorse who holds the world record for one mile on turf, 1 minute 31.6 seconds, set in the 1998 Poker Handicap.
Elusive Quality stands at stud at Darley America's Jonabell Farm in Lexington, Kentucky. He raced in the colours of Darley's principal, Sheikh Mohammed al Maktoum. Prior to standing at Darley America he stood at Gainsborough Farm in Versailles, Kentucky. Gainsborough was owned by Sheikh Maktoum al Maktoum, eldest brother of Sheikh Mohammed.
Elusive Quality retired to stud in 1999 and stood at a fee of $10,000. His fee rose to $50,000 in 2004 and again to $100,000 in 2005, before dropping to $75,000 in 2007.
Elusive Quality is the sire of:
Smarty Jones - Champion 3 Year Old and winner of the 2004 Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes
Elusive City - Champion Juvenile in France and winner of the Group One Prix Morny
Raven's Pass - winner of the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, Breeders' Cup Classic
Quality Road - winner of the 2009 Florida Derby
Maryfield - 2007 Champion Female Sprinter

Fusaichi Pegasus (Japanese pronunciation: [ɸɯsa.itɕi]) (foaled April 12, 1997) was purchased as a yearling for $4 million by Fusao Sekiguchi. His name is a combination of his owner's name, "Fusao," and the Japanese word for one, "ichi," to mean #1 or the best. The second half is the winged horse of Greek mythology. Fusaichi Pegasus won the Kentucky Derby in 2000. This thoroughbred's time was 2:01.12 around the 1 1/4 mile track. He was the first favorite to win the Kentucky Derby since Spectacular Bid in 1979. After the Kentucky Derby, many believed that he would win the Triple Crown. However, he was defeated by Red Bullet in the Preakness Stakes. After his loss in the Preakness Stakes, he did not race in the third leg of the Triple Crown, the Belmont Stakes.
"FuPeg", as the stallion is affectionately known by his fans, is a son of Mr. Prospector and out of Angel Fever, a mare by leading sire Danzig. In addition to the Kentucky Derby, Fusaichi Pegasus also won the Grade 2 San Felipe Stakes and Jerome Handicap.
In 2000, Fusaichi Pegasus was sold to Irish breeder Coolmore Stud for a reported price of more than US$60 million (£35m). The previous record for a stallion prospect was US$40m (£24m), paid in 1983 for Shareef Dancer. Fusaichi Pegasus is currently a "shuttle stallion" standing at Coolmore's Ashford Stud near Versailles, Kentucky during the Northern Hemisphere breeding season and at Coolmore Australia near Jerry's Plains, New South Wales during the Southern Hemisphere breeding season. Among his progeny are Grade 1 winners Bandini and Haradasun.

Mr. Prospector (1970–1999, Hall of Fame Honorable Mention) was a thoroughbred racehorse foaled in Kentucky, whose descendants have been dominant in the United States Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing. He won half of his 14 career races.
Mr. Prospector also ran in the year the great Secretariat won the Triple Crown. Mr. Prospector's sire was Raise a Native, a son of the immortal Native Dancer. He was out of the mare Gold Digger, a daughter of Nashua who was sired by the great Nearco. A $200,000 yearling in 1971 (a significant price for the early 1970's), "Mr. P", as he came to be known, was trained by Jimmy Croll, a Hall of Fame member who went on to train the great Holy Bull.
Mr. Prospector won the Gravesend Handicap, the Whirlaway Handicap and managed to set track records for six furlongs (1,207 m) at Gulfstream Park and Garden State, but his racing record provided little inkling of his success as a breeding sire.
One of Mr. P's most remarkable feats was siring one winner of each of the Triple Crown races, a feat his grandson, Unbridled, has also accomplished. His Triple Crown race winners were the 2000 Kentucky Derby winner Fusaichi Pegasus, a promising young sire; 1985 Preakness Stakes winner Tank's Prospect; and 1982 Belmont Stakes winner and Eclipse Award for Horse of the Year, Conquistador Cielo.

Sea The Stars (foaled 2006 in Ireland) is a champion Irish Thoroughbred colt racehorse. He is best known for winning the 2,000 Guineas, the Epsom Derby, the Eclipse Stakes, - the first colt to accomplish this treble since 1989 champion Nashwan - the International Stakes, the Irish Champion Stakes, and the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.
Bred by Sunderland Holdings Ltd, the breeding operation of the Tsui family, he is a a half brother to Epsom Derby winner Galileo, both being sons of Arc winner Urban Sea. After winning his maiden at the second attempt, Sea The Stars won the Group 2 2008 Beresford Stakes at the Curragh. Rested over the winter, John Oxx entered him into the 2009 2,000 Guineas without a prep race. Despite this, he started 8-1 in the betting behind the Craven Stakes winner Delegator (3/1f). There were concerns about his preparations because of a setback in March due to a slight temperature. He rested for 2 weeks, which hampered his training.
Travelling well throughout the race, he pulled clear of the field in the final furlong winning by 1 length from the favourite, with Gan Amhras ¾ of a length behind in third. Michael Kinane, winning his fourth 2,000 Guineas, later commented: "He's a classy horse and we've waited for him all winter. He's been crying out for this ground."
Despite doubts about his stamina and a strong field, notably from Ballydoyle who fielded 6 of the 12 runners, Sea The Stars won the 2009 Epsom Derby beating the favourite Fame and Glory, and Masterofthehorse (making it a 1-2-3 to Ireland). Mick Kinane (winning his 3rd derby two weeks shy of his 50th birthday) said of the winner "I was going so easy all the way, it was as if we were going in slow motion."
Sea the Stars was scratched from the 2009 Irish Derby due to the track conditions, but went on to win the Eclipse Stakes at Sandown Park a week later. Always travelling well, he overtook the fading pacemakers early down the straight, forcing Kinane to commit earlier than expected. Rip Van Winkle came with a strong challenge 2 furlongs out, but Sea The Stars fought him off with a surge of acceleration, winning readily by 1 1/2 lengths.
In August 2009, Sea the Stars won the Juddmonte International Stakes at York. Scaring off most of the opposition, only 4 horses were left in the race, 3 of them from Ballydoyle. Mastercraftsman, winner of 4 Group 1s including the Irish 2000 Guineas and the St. James's Palace Stakes at Ascot, was the main opposition with the 2 others acting as pacemakers. Tracking Mastercraftsman throughout the race, Kinane boldly followed Johnny Murtagh through a narrowing gap created by the 2 pacemakers at the beginning of the straight. Sea The Stars powered past Mastercraftsman in the last furlong, taking the Group 1 race by a length, breaking the track record by 0.8 seconds in doing so.
Next up was the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown in September 2009. His first appearance in front of his home crowd since 2008, the race was billed as a clash between him and Fame and Glory, who since finishing 2nd in the Epsom Derby won the Irish Derby by 5 lengths and was rested for 2 months. The race was highly anticipated as the rematch during the Irish Derby was postponed due to ground conditions. Turning into the straight, Johnny Murtagh on board of Fame and Glory took the initiative and got 1st run on Sea The Stars. A patient Kinane stayed on Murtagh's heels and with a powerful burst of speed went easily past Fame and Glory 2 furlongs out to win by 2 1/2 lengths. Mastercraftsman, also in the race, finished 3rd another 2 1/2 lengths behind Fame and Glory. After his win in the Irish Champion Stakes, Sea the Stars was awarded a lofty 140 Timeform Rating.
On October 4th 2009, 6 months since his win in the 2000 Guineas, Sea The Stars lined up as the odds-on favourite for Europe's most prestigious race, the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in France. A large field of 19 runners along with a long and difficult season were major concerns, many thinking this was one race too far. The race featured 9 other Group 1 winners, including the unbeaten French filly Stacelita, the Yorkshire Oaks and Pretty Polly Stakes winner Dar Re Mi, the Irish Derby winner Fame and Glory, the 2008 St Leger Stakes, 2008 Breeders' Cup Turf and King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes winner Conduit, the Prince of Wales's Stakes winner Vision d'Etat, the Grand Prix de Paris and Prix Niel winner Cavalryman and the 2 times Arc runner up Youmzain. Quick out of the gates, Sea The Stars pulled very hard for the first couple of furlongs, got bumped and dropped back down the field. Kinane was able to settle him and raced on in 8th and 9th position throughout the race. Turning into the straight, Sea The Stars stayed on the rail and seemed boxed in and in trouble. As the principals started to pick up Kinane was able to find a gap and challenged Stacelita alongside Dar Re Mi. Sea The Stars then unleashed his devastating turn of foot and in a matter of strides left the field in his wake and led by 3 lengths half a furlong out, winning the race by 2 lengths while eased down. He thus became the only horse to have won the 2,000 Guineas, Epsom Derby, and the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in the same year.

Unbridled (March 5, 1987 - October 18, 2001) was a Champion American thoroughbred racehorse.
The colt was sired by Fappiano (10 wins in 17 starts), by Mr. Prospector, and his dam Gana Facil, by Le Fabuleux. Unbridled retired with a career record of 8 wins, 6 places and 6 shows in 24 starts, and $4,489,475 in career earnings. Unbridled had a great rivalry with Summer Squall over their three and four year old seasons. Summer Squall defeated Unbridled in 4 of their 6 meetings.
In 1989 at age two, Unbridled won the "What A Pleasure Stakes" and placed in all six of his starts. At age three, ridden by jockey Craig Perret, he won the Grade I Florida Derby by four lengths and America's most prestigious race, the Kentucky Derby by 3 1/2 lengths. He finished second in the Preakness Stakes to Summer Squall then in a major upset, finished fourth in the Belmont Stakes to the Irish colt, Go And Go. In the fall, ridden by Pat Day, Unbridled won the 1 1/4 mile Breeders' Cup Classic at Belmont Park in 2:02.20 minutes. His performance for the year earned him the prestigious Eclipse Award as Champion 3-year-old male of 1990.
Unbridled's Kentucky Derby win provided one of the most memorable moments in that race's history. A network television camera in the Churchill Downs stands captured Unbridled's trainer, Carl Nafzger, giving the horse's elderly owner, Frances Genter, an exciting stretch call because of her poor vision. Nafzger shouted, "He's going to win! He's going to win! Oh, Mrs. Genter, I love you!"
Racing as a four year old, Unbridled won the Deputy Minister Handicap at Gulfstream Park and placed second behind Summer Squall in the Fayette Handicap at Keeneland Race Course.
Unbridled sired 292 runners that produced 183 winners (38 of those stakes winners) out of 437 foals earning over $31 million by 2000. Ten of his offspring were Grade I Stakes winners, four were classic winners, and three received Eclipse Awards. Unbridled is the last Kentucky Derby winner to sire another Derby winner, Grindstone, who placed first in the Kentucky Derby in 1996.
Unbridled is also the last stallion to have sired at least one winner each of the American Triple Crown races (first for each listed): Grindstone, Kentucky Derby, 1996; Red Bullet, Preakness Stakes, 2000; and Empire Maker, Belmont Stakes, 2003.
Some of Unbridled's other offspring includes:
Colts/Horses: Unbridled's Song, Eddington, Anees, Unshaded, Saarland, Mustanfar, Symphony Sid, Rebridled, Malabar Gold, Unbridled Jet, Unbridled's Image, Niigon, Greed is Good, Wheelaway, Unrestricted, Broken Vow, Pupil, and Uncoupled.
Fillies/Mares: Banshee Breeze, Halfbridled, Exogenous, Santa Catarina, Surya, Lady Ballade, Happily Unbridled, Boom Town Girl, Unrestrained, Manistique and Belterra.
Unbridled also grandsired the filly Eight Belles (sired by Unbridled's Song). Eight Belles finished second at the 2008 Kentucky Derby, but she broke both front ankles at the finish and was euthanized on the track.
One of Grindstone's foals, Birdstone, would upset Smarty Jones to win the 2004 Belmont Stakes. Birdstone would in turn sire Mine That Bird, a gelding that won the 2009 Kentucky Derby, and Summer Bird, a colt that won the 2009 Belmont Stakes, giving Unbridled three generations of Triple Crown race winners.
In September 2001, Unbridled underwent two operations at Hagyard Equine Medical Institute, near Lexington, Kentucky. He was euthanized at the clinic after a severe bout of colic.

Victory Gallop (foaled May 30, 1995 in Ontario, Canada) was an American-based Thoroughbred racehorse. Bred by Ivan Dalos' Tall Oaks Farm, Victory Gallop was foaled later in the year than is common for most Northern Hemisphere Thoroughbreds. Sired by 1987 Florida Derby winner Cryptoclearance who won 12 of 44 starts and earned $3,376,327 lifetime, he was out of the mare Victorious Lil. He was purchased by Prestonwood Farm of Versailles, Kentucky, owned by Houston, Texas oilmen Jack, Art, and J. R. Preston, who also owned and raced two-time Breeders' Cup Mile winner Da Hoss.
Racing at age two, Victory Gallop won two ungraded stakes races and was second in the important Laurel Futurity. The following year in the lead-up to the American Classic Races for three-year-olds, Victory Gallop won the Rebel Stakes then beat Favorite Trick to capture the Arkansas Derby. In the Kentucky Derby he was running dead last behind fourteen other horses at the half mile pole then made a powerful drive near the end of the homestretch to pass betting favorite Indian Charlie but ran out of track and finished second to winner, Real Quiet. In the Preakness Stakes he finished second again to Real Quiet then won the longer distance Belmont Stakes by a matter of a few inches. From there, Victory Gallop went on to a second place finish behind Coronado's Quest in the Haskell Invitational Handicap and in the Travers Stakes.
Racing in 1999 at age four, Victory Gallop recorded his best year. In the spring, he traveled to Nad Al Sheba Racecourse in Dubai where he finished third to Shadwell Racing 's Almutawakel in the 1999 Dubai World Cup. Back in the United States, he won the Stephen Foster and Whitney Handicaps.
Victory Gallop's performances won him the 1999 Eclipse Award for Outstanding Older Male Horse and in a poll published by the New York Times' About, Inc., he was the top vote getter for Most Impressive Performance of the Year for his win in the Stephen Foster Handicap.
Retired to stand at stud at his owner's Prestonwood Farm, Victory Gallop ranked second among 2003's freshman sires. Through November 2006, he had sired sixteen individual stakes race winners.
In 2008; Victory Gallop was sold to The Jockey Club of Turkey.

Zarkava (foaled March 31, 2005 in Ireland) is a French Thoroughbred racehorse. Bred and raced by HH Aga Khan IV, she was sired by Group II winner Zamindar who also sired the multiple Group One winner, Darjina. Out of the mare, Zarkasha, her damsire is Kahyasi, winner of the 1988 Epsom and Irish Derbys.
Zarkava made two starts at age two at Longchamp Racecourse, her home base in Paris for trainer Alain de Royer-Dupre. She won both the 2007 Prix de la Cascade for maiden fillies, and the Group One Prix Marcel Boussac. As a three-year-old, she made her 2008 debut in April at Longchamp with a win in the G-3 Prix de la Grotte followed by the G-1 Poule d'Essai des Pouliches in which she set a new race record time. She then won the Classic G-1 Prix de Diane at Chantilly Racecourse in June and back at Longchamp, September's 2,400 metres (1½ mile) Prix Vermeille. After stumbling out of the starting gate and losing at least a dozen lengths to the leaders, she came back from dead last to equal the race record time in winning the Prix Vermeille by two lengths.
Ridden by Christophe Soumillon in all her starts to date, Zarkava was the betting favorite leading up to the October 5th Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe. In what was her first race against colts, Zarkava won the 2008 Arc with a powerful stretch drive to become the first filly in fifteen years to win the race. Zarkava was retired on October 13, 2008, with an undefeated record.
As of November 2008, Zarkava was the world's #2 ranked horse by the International Federation of Horse Racing Authorities (www.IFHAonline.org) and #1 in the world by RaceHorseOwner.com The UK's Daily Mail reported that in addition to being the first filly to win the Arc in 15 years, she was the first 3 year old filly to win since 1982 and the first of either sex to win the great race from her post position since 1964.
Many began to question her ability to win the Arc after her tardy start in the Prix Vermeille. However, on November 17, 2008, when she was named Cartier Horse of the Year for Europe, His Highness the Aga Khan, her owner and breeder, noted in a video interview posted on the website of the UK's Daily Telegraph that they had been working to get this quirky filly to leave from a state of relaxation in the gate and run in a more relaxed mode at the start of her races instead of getting "all tied up". He also said Zarkava had matured at 3 and did not get into her pace as quickly as she did at 2. The Aga Khan went on to say she was an exceptional racehorse in a year of exceptional horses; and that her quality was identified very early, resulting in being placed in Group 1 races after her maiden win. The interview also stated that his daughter, Princess Zahra, was deeply involved in the breeding of Zarkava, as well as the Aga Khan's other horses. His Highness has been quoted in story after story as saying Zarkava represents "the apogee" of his family's 90+ years of breeding champion thoroughbreds.
The Timeform announced that they rated Zarkava at 133 after the Arc, making her the joint-best filly or mare in the last 20 years and joint-seventh in the last 40 years. This was significantly higher than the official rating, but Phil Smith, the senior British Horseracing Authority Handicapper, explained that it was like comparing apples and oranges.
"We look at the facts and make our assessment in an historical context," he said. "We're not trying to speculate. We think Zarkava is exceptionally good, and we think our figure reflects that. We're also constantly updating our list of the 50 top horses, and she is joint-second [with Duke Of Marmalade] on 127, only 3lb behind the top-rated, Curlin. Many forget she was receiving a 3lb sex allowance, which if applied to our list, would bring her out as the same horse as Curlin [as the #1 rated horse in the world].
Zarkava won the horseraceinsider.com award Most Under-Appreciated Significant Victory of 2008 Insider Award: To three-year-old filly Zarkava for her defeat of older males in the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe.

I would like to see Hyperion & Sea The Stars added,I know quite a difference....Stan

walking encyclopedia or do you just have a really good secretary???!!
All that info is very impressive mate. I'm getting thirsty just looking at it, let alone reading it and DEFENITELY let alone researching it.!!
Let me buy you a beer, reckon you deserve one after doing all that typing!! :))

This has turned out to be a great thread . Yes I will add more sires and dams but after we get all of the current development off the table. I would like a player to take charge of this project . Just send me a PM and you will be the voice of the community . I think we can add 10 more (5 Sires and 5 Dams ) by the first of the year . The question is what 10. I think we should set up a nomination program and let the players vote.

One of them has to be Danzig.

Also, Halo and Storm Cat.

Great work paddles I think this adds another dimension to this wonderfull game. I volunteer to take on the role of co ordinator. In a day or so I can launch a nomination project with a deadline for voting say Friday 18th December, One for sires and one for dams. What does the community think of that?
Great comments Richard, likewise would buy you a beer but you will have to wait unless you are planning a visit to NZ soon.

Hey outbackjack, when you've been around as long as I have you don't have to type as much as most is cut & paste!-) Got rid of the secretary, she was telling me what to do! Besides, that job is already taken, just ask my wife, she's had it for over 35 years and regardless of what she says, it's her favorite pastime. Oh well...

One of the (many) things that I like about the game is that it can do what was not possible in reality. Have the foals of Stallions and Mares that never got the opportunity, some because of their sudden death. Phar Lap (possibly poisoned) & Ruffian (who had to be euthanized after injury in a match race), or Geldings. What could not be in reality, can be in this game, a continuation of their legacy if you will in a virtual horse racing world. When reaching into the past for Man O' War, why not for other greats? In time there will be new additions, in any case there seems to be many good horses to choose from to expand the Sire & Dam pool that is currently available at the Shop.

Gotta go get some sleep, coaching a double header for my grandson's 10 & Under baseball team tomorrow, Fallball League playoff games. I'll get back to you all tomorrow afternoon. Thank you all for your responses to this topic & keep them coming.

and hope Phar Lap is on it
and Cigar would be a great one too

The Great Mare Makybe Diva!
Won three Melbourne Cups in a row

Richard,

Great research data mate. Theres a few more below for statistical consideration,

J Macca,
Makybe Diva is a great suggestion. I believe she is the all time highest female money earner in the world after her 3peat of the Melbourne Cup. Phar Lap is also an obvious choice.

Below are some proven succesful sires/Dams here in Australia.

Redoutes Choice
Danehill
Lonhro
More Than Ready
Encosta De Lago
Hussonet
Zabeel
Nijinsky
Scenic

I have a book case filled with horse racing books. The history is fascinating. a horse running until it's 10 years old probably wouldn't happen today, which is too bad. Commentator just retired at 8, and there was a horse in the breeders cup that was over 7 years old. They were born to run, so why stop them? Great stuff Richard! You and Sound should get together and write a "Do you remember me" column for the weekly magazine here. I have learned so much from this game. The history lessons are worth the price of the VIP!
Beefy

Puddles, once again thanks for listening, and paying attention. Kudos to whoever said they would take charge. The question is, are we going for great horses, in hopes that they pass their greatness on, or great dams/sires? There were plenty of horses that were not great stars, and didn't have quite the sparkling records as other horses did, but they still produced winners. I am bringing this up to make people aware of the fact that there is the whole Secretariat (great horse, not the best sire) vs. Danzig (pretty good horse, very good sire) thing to consider. As long as traits are figured properly, we could get 10 really special breeding additions to an already pretty good stable! Can't wait! Let us know when and where to vote! To Everybody with a voice and a vote-DO YOUR HOMEWORK on this one! Puddles gave us a pretty nice option here!
Beefy

Good point there Beefy. You are right this is an excellent opportunity supported by Puddles to add elite breeding stock to the HRF Sud Farm. I am working on a list of 'Chief de race' stallions and "Blue Hen mares' from the last century that have really impacted on the improvement of the breed and what qualities they have imparted for posting on the site. Richard has set the standard with his detailed summaries of some of the great sires that have been sugested. I can do the same with the great mares for posting also. As in the real breeding world in most cases but not all, performance on the track drives the decision on whether a horse goes to the breeding barn. History shows that and Secretariat is a good example that superior race track performers do not always transmit that class to their progeny. So with Rachel Alexandra using the most recent example of the highest quality of racing class one can never be sure if she will leave progeny of equal or better class than herself. we just have to wait and see. Same with Zenyatta. If R A is voted into our game Puddles programming will no doubt have to factor that in. Makaybe Diva is another example from the Souithern Hemisphere. It all adds to the fascination of the great sport Horse racing is and the how fortunate we are to participate in a virtual version through HRF. Maybe in the future the very succesfull sires and mares in HRF could command premiums whist those that don't make it are retired.
Mares info will be detailed shortly along with the proposed voting criteria.

This thread needs to tell me who is going to run this project. I want to be fair so the player need to decide. i received to may PM's to pick from. Just let me know when the community decides. I will work with them on adding a voting system of some sort

Puddles

Mumtaz Mahal:(The Tetrach-Lady Josephine by Sundridge. ) Champion 2yo in UK could not carrty speed past 6f, winner of 5 from 6 at 2. exceptionally fast. Grand dam of the mighty Nasrullah (sire of Bold Ruler Nashua and great dam of Royal Charger, sire of Turn To in turn sire of Sir Gaylord, (Secretariat's half Brother), grand sire of Riva Ridge and of Sir Ivor a champion 2yo. This is the sire line of Australasian champion producing lines of Sir Tristram, Zabeel ,Octagonal and Lonhro.

La Troienne 1926 (Teddy-Helene de Troie by Helicon) Imported to USA by Edward Bradley owner of Black Toney grand sire of Blue Larkspur champion american sprinter. Purchased in France for 1250guinees the bargain of the century. Unplaced in 5 starts and retired at three. La Troeenne's decendants were huge speed influences and include Buckpasser, Cahoes, The Axe 11, Mr Busher, Bimelech, Bupers, Boucher, Poker and Private Account. Outstanding race fillies include Allez France, Numbered Account, Admiring, Striking, Busher (In the HRF Barn) Bridal Flower and Black Helen. Died in 1954, her daughters having produced the winners of !,700,000 a huge sum considering generally low purses and dollar values of the time.

Cigar is a good choice and is already in the game as a sire at the Shop.

puddles, I am willing to take on this project and will recruit members of the community to assist in additional research and in the implementing of a voting process, something along the line of what is already being done with the "Leading Sires and Dams" voting page with each member having one vote. You can PM me and let me know if its ok to go ahead and I'll get on it after I get back from coaching these baseball games today.

To the Community, thanks for your participation and input, this is your game and on this site your voice counts so don't stop now and continue to let us know your choices, opinions and any available information on horses not already noted, especially those from other countries.

My vote would definately be for you Richard. You appear to be a very wise man. Not to mention the fact that your not scared of bears. lol .

Richard is the man for the job ... he has had wonderful posts in this thread... on this subject... and appears the perfect man for the job

This thread picked up momentum with his (Richards) knowledge and contributions through his extensive writings. I think it's more than fare to choose him. It was nice of the other member to offer his help. Thanks from a co-member.

I know that there will be more sires and mares suggested than can be added on by puddles and his team, so am wondering if it might make sense to consider a lottery type drawing. I say this because many (perhaps most) might cast a vote without knowing anything about the horses under consideration.
With that said, it might put the foreign greats at a disadvantage. I mean, I know all about the mare that won the Melbourne Cup on three occasions. I would certainly want her included. But, I'd hate to see her left out for consideration through a voting process because most American's wouldn't be aware of her, or her achievements. Just a thought/suggestion.

Danzig, Halo, Storm Cat, Mr Prospector - All get my votes -

What about variable stud fees as well? Charge more for some sires than others based on demand and performance.

I think that is a perfect Idea dbacks1.

Yes I support Richard too.
More than happy to assist you with the project Richard if the community is in agrement with that.

Richard you the man!

Thanks Richard for heading an exciting project! I offer a suggestion: First, set a voting/nomination deadline. Let everyone nominate 5 sires, and 5 dams. There will surely be a ton of suggestions, and to be fair, the top 10-20 sires and dams nominated could then be placed on a ballot. This would lead to a final vote. Everyones horse can't make the list, obviously, so it seems fair to take the top nominees and have everyone vote on which 5 sires,and 5 dams they like the most. Today is the 24th. This could be wrapped up by the second week in December, or sooner, as long as everyone votes! I think 7 days to nominate and 7 to vote should be enough time, provided Puddles and his team can work that fast. THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION, as this is Richard's baby, I am just giving food for thought!
Beefy

Charisamatic, eight belles, rachel alexandra, funny cide, sir barton

This son of, Northern Dancer could very well be the best stallion ever from Great Britain. Heck, maybe the world. Sadler's Wells definetly deserves consideration as an add on to our sire list.
His true stardom came in the breeeding shed, where he sired ove 200 stakes winners. 60 of them were Group 1 Stakes winners.
I think/know that's the kind of stallion that we're looking for. Don't overlook this guy. Sadler's Wells.