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Don't worry lee, you're %100 correct about the weights, they have been unfair since the beginning of the trainer game. But don't forget the issue is fixed in the new build that is going to be released soon.

Just gotta hold tight until then.

I also agree 100% and hopes the new build is out sooner rather then later and as far as the weight issue being fixed,i'll wait and see ( BTW i still don't have my community horses back and have written support but we know how that goes)

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Heavy rain and strong wind here this morning in these mountains. My German Shepherd is restless. I can't aleep. Coffee at 04:00 am LOL Anyway, I also agree with, Lee and, Mod.

Even when the new client comes out, I thnk there's going to be another problem associated with weight that has never been discussed. This is partly a gut feeling and my own obsevations, which of course, aren't scientifically founded. Here goes...................

I think there's a good chance that there is a problem with weight allowances/advantages for famale horses. We have no idea how the models are put together for the individual horses.
Is there something special built into female horses that puts them at a disadvantage, if they didn't get weight off??? If so, I think it would be good to talk about.
What are the statistics saying? Am I on the right track, or way off base? I have no idea. I've brought this up in discussion several times, but nobody has evere addressed this issue.

In short, we have an acknowleged situation having to do with weights in finals that apparently will be corrected in the new client. That's great and I along with others appreciate that and are looking forward to those changes. Changes that will be adjusted even more, if necessary, according to staff, in several threads.

But, isn't it possible that a similar sitiuation might be happening in almost every race, having to do with the females getting weight advantages over the males. Has this ever been looked into????
My gut feeling is so strong on this, that if I could enter my "one" good horse in for male only races, that's where I'd be placing him.
I'm left wondering, does anybody else share my feelings, or disagree?

I agree with you and i know everyone is saying this subject will all be fixed with the new client but i have my doubts. If the female horses have something special built into them allowing for this weight break then what happens when we change the sex of a horse? Do these special traits that go into the females stay when you change them to a male? Or what happens when you go the other way...male to female? Just offering some insight that maybe hasn't been discussed or considered.

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Good point Mod on the female weight breaks.

There needs to be a %5-%10 trait deduction from the female models (for future models, not the ones we have right now) if they are to receive weight breaks because right now there is no difference between male and female trainer horses except the females get weight breaks.

But then are we going to have a filly/mare division only? If HRF wants this to be like real-life racing, they will have to eventually make tournaments for fillies/mares and colts/geldings only. And then of course open tournaments where both genders can participate.

There are NO special traits that makes males better than females. It is my understanding that strategy plays a role here, for breeding purposes if not for the weight break everyone would make their horses males to get the higher % for breeding fees. With the built in weight break it makes you think, Do I want the weight break or do I want to try and go for the higher stud fee. Looking at the top horses in the game almost ALL of them are males, so the weight has not affected them at all...

Though males will get a higher % for breeding fees, females at stud may very well be bred more times than the males.

For example, Ruffian has been bred over a 1,000 times more than Dr. Fager. So it really depends on how highly people regard your horse at stud and how many times they breed them.

A horse who makes stud with a good looking past performance compared to a horse with a monster past performance, people will more likely breed to the horse with the superior past performance.

You say these are built into females. Does this get transferred or removed / added when you change the sex ?

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Brian also has brought up a excellent point...

"But then are we going to have a filly/mare division only? If HRF wants this to be like real-life racing, they will have to eventually make tournaments for fillies/mares and colts/geldings only. And then of course open tournaments where both genders can participate."

This would allow you to enter your filly/mare against each other when your not confident to race against the boys and even out the playing field even more.

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<<< There are NO special traits that makes males better than females. It is my understanding that strategy plays a role here, for breeding purposes if not for the weight break everyone would make their horses males to get the higher % for breeding fees. With the built in weight break it makes you think, Do I want the weight break or do I want to try and go for the higher stud fee. Looking at the top horses in the game almost ALL of them are males, so the weight has not affected them at all... >>>

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Ok, sounds like all horses ( male and female )are created equil. With that said, females shouldn't get a weight off advantage over males. This mars all races.

As far as changing your horses sex, this, in my opinion is ridiculous and should be dropped. Gosh, if you gave your horse a female name ( say, Royal Princess ) and it turns out to be a boy, the programmers could program this game so that you could change the name after the breeding occures. No big deal.

Statistics are misleading at times.Sometimes we mix too much info. Look at the top 100 list for ( only 3 year olds ). Just the top ten 3 year olds. 70% of them are females. 30 % are males. This statistic covers 30% of the top tne list.

In ending, as for myself, I have no interest in getting any of my horses to the breeding sheds. If it happens, it happens, but this isn't my goal.

However, when I enter a horse, I want a fair shake and a level playing field. If my male carries 126 pounds, then the females ( who are supposedly equil ) should also carry 126 pounds. Otherwise, they're punishing me for no wrong doing.
I'm not talking about the final where the race is a handicap (where they carry different weights ) Changes are about to be a reality in the new client. This however, still doesn't bring into play, the female issue.

Lol and there should be an option to geld your horse just like in real life, sometimes gelding the horse will help him perform better on the track. Though I'm no expert on the topic of why colts are sometimes gelded.

Because some of them are nut cases, and that seems to be a good way of getting them focused.

Would certainly get me focused :P

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HRF for programming purposes found it easier just to name your horse then change the sex to match rather than the opposite. Its easier just to give a name then change the sex to match the name.

The horses are created EQUAL

Aqa...no need to raise your voice just trying to understand here :) You say ALL horses are treated equal but in this thread you say the females are programmed differently. Anyways if the latter is true and ALL horses are EQUAL why do they have a weight break?

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I never said they were programmed differently, I said they were programmed the same.

As far as Male/Female tourneys go there are not enough horses yet. Too many tourneys are being canceled right now. Alot of the reason is the rubber stamping of tourneys that this committee does. The idea on the tourney request is for you to vote on a tourney you would enter then you would lobby for a vote or 2, whats happening is tourneys are being rubber stamped by a group of people and alot of tourneys are being canceled.

Of course they want it like real racing as long as it makes sense, when there are 10,000 active horses im sure there will be specific tourneys.

I know Mike is working on a simple classification system, but that to is limiting the number of horses elgible, they have to be careful.

Maybe i took what you said out of context. Whatever is decided i'm sure is in terms of what's best for this game. As far as tournaments are concerned i really believe it should be up to HRF to decide and make enough as they have the data to fall back on. I do believe the reason for the group was because we all (community) had too many horses sitting idle in their stables so it was one way of forcing HRF to make more and i have noticed that it has worked to sum degree. I think they need to deversify the tourney's so there is something for everyone,not just sprints and not just classic and ones on all surfaces. Just my thought...i really do hope the new client clears most of these issues up.

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When you go to the color/gender changing program it says, "...By implementing this feature, you will not, under any circumstances, affect your horse´s racing ability in any manner whatsoever...."

Also I believe that Puddles wrote on a thread that it does not matter if you change a horse from male to female or from female to male - their performance will remain the same.

This leads me to believe that the weight assignments favoring females in Advanced Mode and in preliminary tournament races are just "dummy" numbers that have no real value and no affect on each horse's performance whether it is a male or a female.

I may be wrong but my understanding right now is that the only time weight assignments make a difference in a horse's performance is in final tournament races.

Dusty

Dusty, You are correct that when you make the change nothing happens to the horse's raw numbers.

However, all races have some weight break for females, I think its 3pounds as a 2yr and 5 as a 3yr old. These weights are assigned in all races and the horse that carries more weight has more of burden this may or may not affect the horse. Carrying 5 more pounds in a prelim is the same as carrying 5 more in the finals.

I made a spelling error when I used the word, equal. Should be equal. Not equil. Sorry. I didn't have my dictionary nearby.

I'm hoping the weights get adjusted real soon.

You just got screwed on mcfly. What did you have to give like 14 lbs? I thought you had the sure winner, and I guess the computer thought so also!

Yeah, thanks, lol. I gave every horse in the field 14+ lbs. I gave 18 lbs. to a horse I beat by a neck last race. Go figure. So I finished dead last in a 5 horse field. Well enough complaining, I know this has happened numerous times to lots of players. Hopefully this gets adjusted soon, it's ridiculous.