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I noticed that too, it was really a dumb move and a stupid move if you ask me. He cost three of his horses purse money and since that tournament is a three-race tournament there still isn't much of a chance that the 100k won by the winner will be enough.
Did you see that speed rating, 63!!!!
I coulda ran out there and beat that 1 1/16 in 1:47..
A disgrace

I agree you would probably lose money,Whats the point?

so i guess i need about 8 horses

The stable obviously needed a winner :P

This is how my sister picks winners. Bets every horse in the race and wonders why she loses. LOL Sometimes she makes a $2.00 show bet on the three favorites, costing her $6.00. The last time I saw her do that, one horse was 3/5, one was 6/5 and one was 9/5. I think I have that right.
Boy was she happy when they finished 1,2,3. I think they all payed $2.10 to show. Nice day for sis, but I took everyone out to dinner when we got back home. LOL I rely on my exactas.

That is a good question, Should there be a limit on the number of horses an owner can put into a race? From looking at other sims, it seems most limit an owner to 2 horses in any given race. Maybe three for a major stakes race.

I agree with the thought that owners should be limited to two horses in a given race. More than that and they have the chance to "set-up" the race with pace and jockey instructions.

It has already started to become obvious to me that the trainer game is geared towards Large stables and owners with vast amounts of CP's and money to expend. UNLESS , you "Luck Off" and happen to get the "beast" from an early breeding.

My "one" horse has just entered it's 1st trainer tourney. What is it facing? Top line Stables with multiple entries, in a free to enter "newbie" tourney for less than 3000 CP prize money. I am loseing interest fast in the "trainer game".

How about having different tourney races like in real life. Maidens and limited Allowance races etc. for the "lesser" horses and stables. Right now, it seems the Big Money stables are dominating every tourney just trying to get the required money to be able to 'Post to Stud".

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LOL...sounds alot like my sister...she will do the same thing or pick her one favorite jockey for every race :)
She's happy because she cashes in every race...even if it is getting her $2 back...LMAO!!

look so u own one horse .....the game favors vips well join the ranks and compete ..put up or shut up dude .....doesnt real racing favor the sheeks and other influential owners ....is ur horse any good though ...

They will be coming out with races with certain classifications just as soon as they have enough data.
i do agree there should be sum restrictions on entries from one owner. This is the first time i've seen
a race like this. Kinda crazy to fill up one race with all your horses,theres no sense to it.

I will only enter a cheap race if i'm running him/her for the first time. Once again it makes no sense to
run a quality horse in a no fee tournament as your earnings and potential community points will be
minimal.

Hang in there things will only get better

Blair, Did you even bother to read and comprehend my post? Or do you just prefer to bash people right off?

First, I AM a VIP member, see the badge under my name?

Second, Yes the "rich" have a leg up. However, what I was suggesting was the addition of "Realistic" class racing. The "Sheiks", (as you put it) may be the influential owners, BUT you don't see them running their "TOP" millionare babies in local claiming and Maiden races. Or for that matter in Allowance races if they exceed the conditions. THAT is why "real world racing" has those distinctions.

Finally, my post was directed towards the original question posted in this thread. As such, it was intended to further discussion on the subject. In my opinion, your response provided no useful insight other than "gaining you 10 points". Perhaps that was all you were interested in any way.

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I multi bet on races some times.
Like if i don't like the odds-on favorite, and the favorite is drifting in price, IE people aren't putting much money on it in late betting.
Then I might pick 3x roughies that are 15-1 -> 20-1 shot's to win..
Backing several horses to place is pretty much a certainty to lose in the long run though, especially if its a favorite.

As for the topic.. I don't think its a big deal really. They would have lost money doing it.
It wont take them long to work that out. And they will probably stop doing it.
Until then, there's lots of tourneys, whether this person enters all their horses into one race, or a couple into a lot of races.
It doesn't effect everyone else very much imo..
They are just disadvantaging themselves doing this. No-one else.

Regards.

one race just two horse from the same trainer..agree !!!

What your suggesting doesn't add up maizal.

If you have a tournament, with 10 races.
Under what you said, someone could enter 20 horses in the tournament, Then put two max in each race.
They would then probably end up with a lot of horses in the final tournament race.

I'm not keen on a 2 horse per tournament limit either.
A tournament often has 10 races. and that makes enough room for you to enter more than 2 horses if you have more than 2 horses that fit those conditions.

As i said, i don't think its a biggy really, it doesn't effect other players really.
They are just disadvantaging themselves. Not disadvantaging others.

Yea, I do not think there should be limits. If someone wants to put 5 or 6 horses in a tournament, they should be allowed. I think Pletcher had 5 or 6 in the Derby one year. It shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe they wanted to see how there horses compared to when they run them in community mode together. We shouldn't be trying to take more control away from the trainer. We really do not have all the much as it is. My vote is for smaller government...er I mean more control for the trainers.

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Let them enter as many as they want.
Jim

And furthermore :) I think tournaments should be broken out into groups. Currently, each tournament includes ungraded races, grade 3, grade 2, all in the same tournament. There should be ungraded tournaments, with only ungraded races, ungraded pool horses, with a minimal flat fee and the ungraded money should not go towards the breeding $$$. Theses should be quick 2 or 3 races only. The grade 3, 2, and 1 tournaments should follow suit. Grade 3's should have a little higher fees, grade 3 pool horses, and a little more purse at stake. So on and so on. Right now, if you have a small stable or you're new, you can find yourself thrown to the wolves, because everyone is in the same tournaments. All most of us or doing is just trying to find tournament with the right surface and distance. There should be tournaments in each category for different surfaces and distances. That way, If I have a horse that I'm not sure about I'll start him in the ungraded stakes - little fee, little reward. But if he destroys that field, now I know, I can step him up to the bigger fee, big reward grade 1 tournaments. Does that make sense?

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I agree Ronwar. This is an idea that I've been mulling over for some time. It would certainly give newbies and struggling stables a chance to find their feet.

Although, my idea was just a slight adjustment. Let the Ungraded stakes count towards breeding $$$, as it's still a stakes races.

Then have allowance, handicaps and lower value optional claiming style races for those to get some experience and some CP's. These wouldn't count towards the breeding dollars.

Another point would be to limit larger stables, multiple winners, an so forth from entering newbie tourneys, or have tourneys open to trainers with less than X number of tourney wins.

I'm just saying that the trainer just can enter two horse in any race NOT tournament. As we can see currently, there are many horse breed and my suggestion here, add up more trainer tournament and that can give more chance and more fair to all. If any tournament not meet requirement minima horse we can use pool horse.

this is just a suggestion . dont think if you feel it useless :-)

*my poor english*

i agree with ronwar. seem that idea is brilliant and HRF should do this as soon as possible.

love you ronwar ..

Ronwar,
I agree & strongly endorse your suggestion for graded Trainer tournaments. HRF guys, if you are listening, this IS the way to go forward.
Jim

I understand what you mean maizal, But if someone enters 2 horses max in a race.
In tournaments, the horses with the most points go through to the final race automatically.

So someone could enter a max of 2 horses per race, and STILL end up with every horse in the finals.
Thats what i meant by, your suggestion doesnt seem to work, or fix what you are trying to fix.

All the best mate..
Regards.

Colmodea,
Your suggestion is an ideal addition to Ronwar's. You guys are talking some real good common sense here!
Jim

Colmodea, I follow your reasoning, but I think the claimers and allowance race will take the developers too far away from what they already have. I think the tournament structure will stay, it just needs some tweaking IMHO. Not allowing the ungraded purses to count and making the tournaments only 1 or 2 races will detract the better horses from entering, because they are looking to pad there bank rolls. Or if the do count make them so small that its not worth it - maybe $25,000 - $50,000

If I find out my horse is not that good, I just want a place to put my horse where I know he is not facing grade 2 pool horses or the very best competition, at least until I figure out his optimum placing. Currently, after a couple bad races he's retired because no one wants to take a stable fee hit for a horse they haven't figured out after a couple races.

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Interesting thoughts but do you really want to enter a horse in a ungraded race for a lesser purse?
The way it is now atleast you get a chance in a ungraded race to get comparable earnings as a
graded race. Why would you enter a ungraded race if you have a good horse when you will get
less earnings. The way it is now the better horses enter the better races and when they come
out with maiden races it will fix most of this.

Just because you have a large stable means you can't enter a new unproven horse in a newbie
tournament? Thats just crazy...This horse could be a donkey but because he belongs to a large
stable he has to enter a graded race ? He has just as much right to a newbie tourney as a
unproven horse from a small stable...They are both newbie's !!

I think it's a bit silly for one person to place eight horses in the same race, but there's probably some advantage to it that I don't care about. The only problem I see is that folks with huge stables and nothing better to do can wait for the tournament to start and then pretty much close out all other players from a particular race, and ensure that their most favored horse makes the final. It really doesn't seem fair. Having more race classifications would really help solve the issue, but that seems to be a pretty complicated endeavor for the designers of the game. On the other hand, back in 1988, I believe, D. Wayne Lukas had five entries in the BC Juvenile Fillies at Churchill and ran 1-2-3. That wasn't fair, either, but it was all by the rules. In HRF, just like in real life, lots of things favor the wealthiest of us. I suggest we get used to it and just keep plugging along and be thankful that we're not quite as obsessed with being successful at a game as others are. I'm here for fun, and as soon as the game isn't fun, I'll stop playing. I'll put my faith in puddles and the gang to improve the game as much as they can, as fast as they can.

Classifications should and will be implemented. Entries for races and tournaments should be based on ability,preformance and results of the individual horse and not the size of the stable or how profitable the stable is,earnings or community points. It's the horse you enter not the stable.

Just a thought from a fairly new player.

True it only takes one great horse to make your stable.

However, many folks here have played the game for quite some time and were able to accumulate massive amounts of CP's before things changed and it became more difficult to do so.

Looking at some of the stables (players) that have HUGE amounts of horses 50-150, I am guessing they have spent millions of points. Or bought millions of points. Either way, they have increased chances of getting the top horses thru sheer numbers.

True the rich have an advantage. But this is a GAME and a Business for the developers. I neither have the time nor the money to invest $100s of dollars to catch up with those who gained all their CP under an easier system.

Hopefully, the developers will continue to improve on the Trainer game and make it a challenge and enjoyable for all players, not just the elite "rich". Otherwise as Bird said, when a game ceases to be fun, people stop playing and leave.

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If people arent complaining about jockey tourneys, its about the trainer game, or community points or how about spider monkey jockeys!!
Yeah sure, if you have the money to waste so be it (enter all your horses). It doesnt matter because at the end of the day, you still need a good horse to win the final. If change needs to be implemented, speak up when HRF are asking suggestions at review time.

I agree completly to Ron's idea but let's take it a step further.
Ungraded- Its a nonwinners on one tournament or nonwinners of one race. The two options make it fair.. Such as a winner of races that is beaten in finals can go to nonwinners of one tourament. The bottom level is for nonwinners of any race. This should make that fair. The purses will be lower for nonwinners of any race followed by slightly higher for nonwinners of a tournament.
Grade 3 Non winners of two tournaments or nonwinners of two races. Both levels will start to count for money for breeding purposes. Purses are higher then ungraded but lower then grade 2
Grade 2 Open anyone can enter no restrictions apply to this. Purses are higher then grade 3 but lower then grade 1
Grade 1 Open, anyone can enter. Purses are the highest. This is the toughest class.
This would help classification. The genius aspect is I could have a first time starter and put it up to grade 1 and bomb. I can still go down to ungraded. Its my opinion though what do you think?
"A horse runs with his body, a horse wins a race with his heart"

Sounds good to me tthegeneral25. I can't wait to see what HRF comes up with. Maybe it will incorporate some of what you said.

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There are some good thoughts and ideas being expressed on this thread. Just wanted to add that I agree with what's being said. I'll use Ron and Mod as examples, not meaning to be selective, or leave anyone out. But, yes there's plenty of room for improvement, without a doubt. And, I'm sure the developers are on top of this and we'll be seeing improvements from them soon. This I'm certain of, from what I've read.

Not sure if it's necessary, but I also like the idea of Allowance races. Possibly maiden races too. This might be ideal for newbies, or, actually anyone who is having trouble doing well in the trainer game, giving them more options.
Perhaps the ideas already expressed about ungraded stakes races would be sufficent, once we impliment a good, workable plan.
Several years from now, I could visualise claiming races where we race and claim horses from other members. I'm patient though and can wait. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

But it comes down to trust. The time for patience is soon over we are close to 60 days of training horses. If the simple issues haven't been solved by now they most likely won't be. I'm sure that Puddles and his team ask a set few of players on what things need to be fixed daily and make it happen. If you trust that the game is equal and fair everyone will have more horses active. Have your highly needed VIP membership. Also more players brings more horses if the game is fun and understandable. If you think to wait and see you will have limited runners hoping that the issues get resolved. Right now most players me included are on the wait and see but the longer we wait the longer we lose that trust.

Keep the wheels turning mates.Those r some gr8 ideas :)
Allowance and Maiden races sound cool.
Ron is on the money with his suggestions.Give the little guy a chance,mate(newbies)Let's make it fun for everyone!

I guess this suggestion box thing really does work lol

the99ride, I'm not sure if I follow you on the trust thing. And what may seem simple to do, sometimes take longer than punching a few keys and turning a couple of knobs, especially when there is a bigger picture involved. HRF want things to be as perfect as we do, but it does take time and money. I understand we live in microwave society and we all want it right now, but I'm not sure where the trust comes in. I'm not just brown nosing here, but I actually believe they are doing everything they can to put out the best product possible, as soon as possible. I think what they have done in the last year has been remarkable. I think what we will see in the next year will be just as remarkable. I think they have the best horse racing game on the net already, and what I see is them not sitting back on their laurels, but aggressively trying to improve, using community feedback to take it to a whole new level.

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60 days if you think about it is not a whole lot...
"A horse runs with his body, a horse wins a race with his heart"

tthegeneral25,
Your suggestion sounds fair and doable.
Jim

I guess you guys are all talking about me putting 8 horses in one race. I'm a new guy trying to learn the game. Didn't know that it would cause problems or other owners trying to bash me. It was my first time doing something like this and wanted to see what would happen, wither I lost money or not. By no means am I trying to bash other people on how they run there stable or how man horses they put in a race if they can afford it. Out of all the many Trainer Tournament races out there people want to rip me for what I did. I take offence to that to be honest. The last time I checked it was just a game and people were here to have fun but I guess that's not the case. It wont happen again.

I haven't lost the trust, nor do I find a need to. In fact the frequent updates on what's going on behind the scene and is about to become a reality within our game soon, is a plus and gives me personally, much to look forward too. If I invest in something, it is because I believe in it, as I do this game and the people behind this game.
My VIP subscription runs out in August. I am not obligated to renue, but will, ( one year at a time ) as a continued show of support for the developers and the team effort that they have put forward to make this the best thoroughbred horse race game anywhere.
By supporting them, I feel that I'm also supporting all of the community as well. And especially new friends.
Ya know, any business could fail. Especially in todays hard times. I don't want this business to fail. I'm having too much fun for that. I'll do whatever I can to keep this from happening. We should try to remain patient and above all, positive. JMHO

YES...This is a game but a very good game and ALWAYS evolving...ALWAYS !!!
There is no better horse racing sim out there and if there is maybe the ones
that are so unhappy with this one should seek it out. Lets treat it as a game
not your life!!! As for the "TRUST" ? Well thats a joke!!! The trust comment came
from someone that has a "personal" issue with Puddles...When i play a game i
play it because i enjoy it like when i play "MADDEN" or "HRF" or any other game.
"TRUST" me...i play games because they are enjoyable and when they are not
enjoyable anymore i'll walk away.

~In God We Trust~

That's exactly how I feel. Gosh, even in retirement, I'm so busy around the house and helping others. The game is my relief from that and is a good stress reliever and so much fun. Btw, Mod, I'm a Madden game player myself. I also like Microsoft flight simulator. I usually use my pc for all, but do have Madden 2008 for my playstation 2. Just bought Madden version 2008 as a gift to my grandson for his Xbox360.
I've always enjoyed games and even at my age can't get away from them. Had a lot of horse race games over the years. Glad I don't have to throw the dice anymore. LOL

I have no personal issue with anyone in this game! So don't start rumors. We disagreed on one subject and that was it. My point is vaild in any game the player has to trust that the devs and creator will make working progress to address the players needs in a timely fashion. If we are to do alot of the things suggested above we need more horses like double the current active.

i'm not hear to start rumors as you say it's just the way i see it .
If you really think this company/game is gunna sit idle your very
wrong. the changes i've seen in the last year are remarkable and
just by posting blogs to ask for community input proves it.

Look at "MADDEN" for instant...they are the only registered "NFL"
game on the market and do you really think they care what the
customer wants? no...HRF listens and continues to evolve.

You'll have to fire up your grandson's 360 and we can test our skills on Madden or Nascar :)
As i got older my games just got more expensive...lol

Damon,
I'm the original poster of this thread. I had/have no intentions to bash, embarress, or degrade anyone. It's something that I naver saw before and felt that it was worthy of a discussion. I'm sorry if I offended you any any manner and am apologizing for my roll. This game is in it's infancy and we're all still learning. We have our opinions, ideas and suggestions, which we share on this forum with the intention of improving the game. I think the closer we keep to reality in our fantasy world, the better the game will be.
You always see 2 horses entries in real life. Sometimes 3, but seldom more, although it happens on rare occasion.
Personally, I think 2 is good in our game. Possibly 3, but no more. I could be swayed, however.
If most members prefer more, I have no qualms. I just thought being the trainer of every horse in a given race was weird. I was left wondering, how could you ( not meaning you ) (anyone) do this? Didn't think it was possible. Where were the other trainers.? That's where I was coming from. Again, please except my apology. I meant no harm. Let's get back to racing.

You go 99ride! I laugh so hard at what offends some people.
You guy's r right it's just a game but we're passionate about it.Nothing wrong with that right Tan? I know we have some smart cookies here lol.Let's enjoy r growing pains together.Let's help the frustrated to calm down.Sometimes the simplest info can solve a big problem.

The game is getting better because people try different stuff and find the glitches to fix.Pretty clever to sweep the field with yr horses.At least u have a win...i don't(don't own that many horses yet lol)
It's just information people,read it n move on.I enjoy the saucy talk at one another.I don't get offended easily(unless Tanika has to straighten me out lol)

Always a pleasure,
Troy

Hey Doug,

Thanks for the message. I accept your apology and I appreciate it. I just never though that anyone would care what I did or even go to the measure of writing a Blog about it. And with so many responses to your Blog off a simple race, that it blew me by surprise. But I'm over it now so we are all good ;)

Oh yeah Motron thanks for your 2 cents. Were all ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY NOW;) lol

D

Nothing wrong with that right Tan?

Lol motron :)

Your like the pretty girl in Kindergarden.I pull yr hair cause i like you!

The Silver Mustang(who runs like a thoroughbread:)

excuse me if I come back to the part with the ideas about ungraded races,gr2, etc.

At the moment of things, there is a big problem, and it is the STABLING FEE for every horse in your stable.

VIP members (won't speak of non-vips because they can't live more than 1-2 months without becoming vips) pays 8500pts for a single horse's monthly stabling fee. Ungraded or GR1 horse, it is always 8500.

So, as the purses for low level horses/races are rightly LOW, the problem with the monthly fee for that kind of horse becomes bigger, as RARELY a low level horse can pay for itself (8500pts) every month.

So, I fear in the near future (some months), many lower level horses will be retired and there won't be large stable, so these nice ideas won't see the light, and probably the whole game will loose some appeal...

20k points to breed a new horse could be right, but maintaining any horse at 8.5k points could destroy the "dreams" of many trainers..

IN MY OPINION the only possible solution for keeping alive large stables and having the nice ideas of ronwar,generals etc. implemented is to ADAPT the horse stabling fee to the horse value of the previous month (community points earned).

I know I could look a bit pessimistic (or someone thinks I am complaining for stupid things), but I always try to watch ahead and analyze things if I like something very much...

(sorry for my english)

I dont see how you should have offended anyone by entering all your horses in one race. You played within the rules of the game and despite people singling you out, you had every right to do so. Comments like dumb, stupid, disgrace etc coming from highly respected members reflected their own personality's. Always negative comments without thinking of any positives.

Comments related to the post are somewhat constructive (not the bashing part), but must be told when the review suggestions arises from hrf. Its no good sitting on the fence when comments are properly considered. It is impossible to facilitate everyones comments into the game from 100's of posted comments scattered everywhere.

Just enjoy the game mate.