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I have a very small stable...3 horses
of those 3 I sent one to the vet, and it showed no improvement so i retired her.

I have a Man o'War filly and a Curlin colt.
between these two I have worked them out well over 150 races (seeking their potential) ie. best age/dist/surf etc etc.

working at 5.5 furlongs, Del Mar, $1,000,000 Grade 1 conditions:
horse averaged in bout 40 races:

speed rating between 108-121
winning margins 4-18 lengths

worst finish 2nd by neck (got boxed in down the lane)
worst speed rating 104

In first tournament race:

(5.5 fur., grade 3 race)
she runs 9th of 10 with a speed rating of 75
at odds of 15-1
the winner ran 101

was that just a fluke or am i going about this thing all wrong

my working (at grade 1 for a grade 3 race) doesn't seem to translate to the track.

I am not riding the horses when I work them....just giving jockey instructions and watching them run. (full fields of quality game horses to run against)

her S/R was a good 25 points plus below every work she ever had.
any advice....how should I go about this differently.

I feel like those 150 plus races i ran trying to learn something about the horse...doesn't translate at all to what happens when I show up at the track.

any help at all would be greatly appreciated....any ideas on how to get a realistic result and info from working my horses....I'm willing to put in alot of time....i would rather know that my horses aren't good enough to compete...or at least get a general idea BEFORE I take them over to the tournaments.

i dont mind losing but that SR was 'disturbing'....at same track, same distance ect.....averages 110 on workout race (never worse than 104) and race day 75.

if i could know to knock 25-30 speed rating points off a workout race vice tournament race would help alot.

any help/advice would be great

thanks
theoph1000

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small stable

Hi theoph1000 i do not have any horse as yet but from reading a few blogs in community forum it seems that your problem is quite a common one and there are extra factors involved in race tournaments like horses competitiveness, heart etc and whether they are getting boxed in or cut off or caught wide on the turns or if they are front runners they may pack it in if taken on for the lead etc. hope this helps as i am only new see ya

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this also brings up something else..

What I also think these super horses who are no longer super horses when they go in a tournament brings up the fact that maybe those 80s horses you have in your own game are better than you thought because they have lots and lots of courage and that makes their legs move faster and beat those 120 horses in the tournaments.. So, not only is the 110 horse who has no courage a disappointment, people very well could be retiring horses who have lots of courage because they run like slugs in the game but then eat their spinach on tournament day.... Aint that a kick in the head..

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Well define super horse - SR's in the 150 to 180's

Alot of people in there testing are testing in practice verus weak horses or none. Some people only test there horses under ideal conditions for there horse. Some people don't know there horse exactly based on puddles blog or when I made the please read post.
Right now the learning process takes time an even with my 42 horses I can't say if there G1 or Claiming on most of them until they run a few tournament races. Just be patient an have a plan for each horse.

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A bad horse is a bad horse,

A bad horse is a bad horse, Puddles has stated numerous times if the horse trains poorly the courage and consistency will not improve him enough to be a good horse, however a great training horse could do poorly in tourneys...

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First things first

Are those results based on one race? If so well... your horse could've been one or more of the following-

-Lacked courage. Did he/she back down when approached by another horse during the race?
-Lacked consistency. Your horse could've just had a bad race. The only way to figure out if this was the problem is to run more tournament races and compare the results.
-Had a bad trip. Was your horse bumped or blocked during the race? Did he/she get caught wide on the turn and never recovered? If so, don't give up on the horse-just try again and hope for a better trip. Or try giving different jockey instructions.
-Inflated speed rating. Are you running the horse in the mud or on off-tack?(soft turf and anything below fast dirt counts) Is so, you could be getting an SSR that does not accurately reflect your horse's true abilities.

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A bad horse is a bad horse & a great horse is a great horse!

From what I am hearing... I am beginning to believe that the hours upon hours that I have devoted to evaluating my horses through training races are just hours & hours of wasted time!!! Come on, guys...there has to be some reasonable correlation between training races & tournament races. If it is just going to be a crap shoot then we can enter any horse without evaluating it first. That is not how the game should work. If that is going to be the case then people will lose interest in a hurry. PERHAPS YOU HAVE TOO MANY HIDDEN CHARACTERISTICS THAT DO NOT SHOW UP IN TRAINING RACES. Perhaps you should rethink your method.
Jim

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