Attempting to select a Derby winner the morning of the race is an incredibly difficult proposition. Think about it. These are still relatively young horses being asked to do two things they have never done before. For the first (and last) time in their careers, they will go postward with 19 other horses. This creates total chaos. At least three horses every year have any chance at winning ruined by an awful trip. And for the first time in their careers, they will be asked to run a mile-and-a-quarter distance. Many of these horses want no part of this distance. One of my friends once said that the Derby is like feeding a bunch of 15-year-olds a few bottles of whiskey and then betting on which one can run to the pisser the fastest- if they don't fall down. Of course I don’t condone that sort of behavior, but you get the drift.
Luckily, I’ve fallen on the right horse the last two years of the Derby. I thought that Barbaro was the most talented horse in 2006, and last year it seemed that Street Sense was sitting on a monstrous race.
In this blog I am going to keep an updated list of my top ten Derby horses, and make some commentary on the big races coming up on the Derby trail. I’ll take it through the Belmont, and hopefully it will be an exciting (and profitable!) trail for all of us.
When reading my Top Ten, keep in mind that I am a pedigree-buff, and I tend to lean towards horses that have the pedigree to get the Derby distance. There are a number of very talented horses that I don't think will get the distance, and I have modified their rankings accordingly.
No doubt about it, Big Brown is the most talented 3yo colt so far in 2008, as illustrated by his awesome Florida Derby.
Trained by Rick Dutrow, this horse had a sensational debut on the turf last summer at Saratoga, winning an MSW by 10+ lengths. He had some physical ailments and was scheduled to return to the track at Gulfstream in another turf race. However, that race came off the turf and was run on the dirt. No problem for Big Brown though, as he absolutely crushed the race by 13 lengths with an awesome 104 Beyer Speed Figure. Combined with the Florida Derby, he has now run the two best Beyer figures of the year for 3yo's going a route of ground. He almost reminds me of Barbaro with his dual-surface prowess and his huge stride. The lone question marks that remain are his feet ailments and his inexperience. But seeing that he beat a large field in the Florida Derby from the outside post, I don't think the inexperience will be a problem. He could be a big favorite in the Derby!
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
What does it say about this year's Derby class that I have a horse ranked #2 that has never run on dirt, especially given the fact that I am always more cautious when it comes to surface switches than most? Trained by Eoin Harty, this son of Tiznow had a very impressive win in the Santa Anita Derby:
He is still very green, which you can tell from the way that he was all over the place in the stretch and didn't get going until almost too late. But his talent is undisputed, and he gobbles up ground with his huge strides. In addition, his pedigree is tremendous for the Derby distance. That being said, it is still troublesome to me that he has never run on the dirt. The Kentucky Derby will be his first race on the dirt, and that has to be cause for concern. I know a number of people that now have him as their #1, but the assumption that he will handle dirt is a bit presumptuous. But really, who else is there?
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
There will be many people who dismiss this horse in the Derby because his awesome Toyota Blue Grass win was on the synthetic surface:
However, this horse has a win over the Churchill track and he has a perfect Derby distance pedigree, by Maria's Mon out of an Easy Goer mare. This is Todd Pletcher's best shot at the Derby this year, and he will make sure that Monba is ready to roll the first Saturday in May. He is a great looking individual and might be getting good at the right time. His one bad race was in the Fountain of Youth, but it was so bad that it should be thrown out. He's a real Derby contender.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
Ok, leap of faith time here, as I am going to leap-frog this horse up to number 4 on a hunch that he will rebound. Trained by David Carroll, this son of Harlan's Holiday ran a total stinker the Illinois Derby. But that track was playing weirdly that day and it could be a throw out for him. His win in the Southwest was very impressive:
As you can see, he sat well back of a blistering pace and unleashed a torrid stretch rally to win going away by two lengths. Admittedly he had a perfect set-up as a closer, with the screamingly fast fractions up front, but it still ranks as one of the top performances from any 3yo not named Big Brown. He needs a defection to get into the Derby, but if he gets in, I will use him in my wagers at what should be a nice price. He has a great pedigree for the Derby, out of an Unbridled mare.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
I have never been a huge fan of this horse, but he certainly isn't as bad as his 10th place finish in the Toyota Blue Grass. He obviously did not like the synthetic surface. Trained by Steve Asmussen, Pyro will definitely still have backers for the Derby. His win in the Louisiana Derby was visually impressive, albeit on the slow side:
This effort was very similar to his win in the Risen Star. Trailing the field through tepid fractions and bottled up on the rail at the top of the stretch, he found running room with a furlong to go and flew home to an easy victory. Ignoring the Blue Grass and looking forward to the Derby, I still have question marks about his sire, Pulpit, passing along enough stamina for him to stay the distance. In addition, his extreme closing style could lead to him running into traffic problems in stretch. He will probably be at shorter odds than he should be in the Derby because of his large fan club, so I won't be putting much money on him.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
It's hard to say whether this horse will even go to the Derby after his stinker in the Toyota Blue Grass, finishing 9th. Trained by Nick Zito, he still must be given some respect off his win in the Fountain of Youth, although the top finishers from that race haven't run well since:
It has come to my attention that this horse has major soundness issues. Because of that, I am not sure whether he will go to Louisville or not. By Mineshaft, Cool Coal Man should love stretching out to the Derby Distance if he goes. If Zito can get him right for the Derby, he could run better than expected. He has run well at Churchill before.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
Trained by Louie Roussel, this horse debuts on the list after a somewhat surprising 15/1 victory in the Illinoir Derby. He set the pace and never looked back, finishing in a nice time of 1:49 flat.
Some of my friends liked him in this spot, mainly because he ran well against Cool Coal Man at Churchill Downs in November. I'm not sure he has what it takes to win the Derby, but his impressive Illinois Derby certainly puts him in with a fighting chance. And remember that War Emblem was ignored after his big Illinois Derby win, and he won the Kentucky Derby at 20/1.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
This Bennie Stutts-trainee deserves to be in the top ten simply because he has finished the closest to Big Brown of any horse. Of course that still a five length difference.
He's a very game horse who has never finished out of the top three, and is the type that could run well in the Derby at a big price. His breeding is a little suspect for the Derby distance but it seems that this year many horses are in that same boat.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
Aside from the top few, the colts don't look great this year, so why not try a filly in the big race? That is exactly what Larry Jones is thinking, and we may see this nice girl in the Derby starting gates. Her win in the Fair Ground Oaks was awesome:
It is worth noting that Proud Spell and her rival, Indian Blessing, ran much faster than Pyro on the same day at the Fair Grounds. It is obviously a daunting task for a filly to win the Kentucky Derby, but this one has major talent, and if there was ever a year to take a stab, this is it. The connections are saying that they will make a decision on Derby week whether she runs in that spot against the boys or takes on fillies in the Oaks.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
Trained by Steve Asmussen, this colt definitely has had some ups and downs this year. After a nice 2nd to Pyro in the Risen Star, he ran a total clunker in the Rebel. Many people dismissed him after that poor effort, but he came back to run a very wide 2nd in the Arkansas Derby:
Gayego won the race, but Z Fortune got a worse trip and also has a better pedigree for stretching out to the Derby distance. Throw out his Rebel and you have a horse that, based on the numbers, could run well at a nice price in Louisville. I'm not sure if he can win, but hit the board? Absolutely.
Probable Next Race: Kentucky Derby at Churchill, 5/3/2008
That’s the top ten for now. I will update it after we see some workouts over the next week.
Comments
Hi Dan. I just learned more
Hi Dan. I just learned more about horses in the Kentucky Derby than I ever have from anyone that I have listened to before. I really liked that Pyro race. Did you bet on those horses the past two years yourself? How did you do? I am going to pick one of your horses and get my dad to bet on him for me. If he will do it. :)
Thanks
Thanks for the comments linklong. I did make a lot of money on Street Sense last year in the Derby. I had bet him heavily in a future wager and also hit the exacta x5 and trifecta x2. I didn't make quite as much on Barbaro. Good luck getting your dad to bet for you!
Hi Dan. If Into Mischief has
Hi Dan. If Into Mischief has never run on dirt why is his prospects for being in the Kentucky Derby so high?
Into Mischief
Good question! This year it is going to be incredibly hard to judge the Derby chances of the California horses that have not yet tried the dirt. The best guess anyone can put forward right now is based on pedigree, but it is still a huge question mark. Into Mischief has a pedigree that suggests he will like the dirt, but until he tries it there really is no way to tell!
Updated List
I have updated my top ten list. The major changes:
-Z Humor drops off the list. I previously had him ranked #4, but I was thoroughly disgusted by his effort in the Sam F. Davis. He tracked a slow pace, and then gave way into the stretch, eventually finishing fifth. The race returned very slow speed figures, which makes his effort appear even worse. The only excuse he could have is that Gomez rushed him up at the start, but given how slowly the race was run, I'm skeptical. He needs a big effort to get back on the list.
-Crown of Thorns drops off the list. Unfortunately he has been injured and will miss the Derby.
-Denis of Cork catapults onto the list for the first time, debuting at number four. He ran a massive race in the Southwest, probably the best route race run by any 3yo not named Pyro or War Pass. He's undefeated and will take the Oaklawn trail to the Derby, with the Rebel and the Arkansas Derby.
-Tomcito debuts on the list at number ten. He is a wild card from Peru. He's won four races in peru by a combined 40 lengths, including a mile-and-a-half G1. He is in Florida and will probably run in the Fountain of Youth or the Florida Derby.
Yesterday I watched a couple
Yesterday I watched a couple of races this horse won on Youtube and thought you had gotten it wrong, because he was running on dirt. I was going to ask you about that today, but read your article on synthetic tracks first. Am I correct in saying then that Into Mischief has only run on synthetic tracks which is why you say he has never ran on dirt tracks?
Correct
That is correct. The composition of a dirt track differs vastly from those of the various synthetic tracks out there.
Being in Ventura, CA I am
Being in Ventura, CA I am alot closer than most in here to the Santa Anita track so I might go see him in the San Felipe at Santa Anita on March 15th and let know what I thought of him.
UPDATE 2/25
I have updated my list as of February 25. notable changes:
-Cool Coal Man moves up to #2 and Elysium Fields debuts at #6 after their tremendous runs in the Fountain of Youth.
-War Pass drops a spot to #3, mainly because of Cool Coal Man's performance.
-Anak Nakal drops off the list after his Fountain of Youth poor performance
UPDATE 3/3
I have updated my blog after a fairly quiet weekend of 3yo racing.
Changes:
-Colonel John storms onto the list after his very impressive victory in the Sham at Santa Anita.
-Into Mischief falls off the list as he suffers another injury setback.
Big races next weekend with the Gotham at Aqueduct and the Louisiana Derby at the Fair Grounds!
Update 3/9
I have updated my Derby list with the races from this weekend considered.
Major changes:
-Big Brown and Visionaire debut on the list after awesome wins last week. Big Brown demolished an allowance at Gulfstream with a massive 104 Beyer Speed Figure and Visionaire got up in the final strides to win the Gotham Stakes in the slop at Aqueduct.
-Roman Emperor was moved off the list after his subpar effort in the Gotham. Giant Moon was moved down to #9 after finishing last in the Gotham. It was a complete toss for him, but he will need to fire next time out to have a shot at getting into the Derby.
Giant Moon
I think it's crazy that you still have him on this list even though he finished last in the Gotham!
yeah
Yeah what is your reasoning for this? I mean didn't he run dead last?
Giant Moon
I debated on whether or not to remove him from the list. However, his trainer claims that the horse hated the sloppy conditions at Aqueduct. In addition, he came back to the barn raring to go, as if he had not even run a race. I really think he deserves a pass on this race, as he had been previously undefeated. I will wait until his next race to see if he should be removed from the list.
Thanks!
Hey Dan. What a great post! I learned a ton and am anxiously awaiting your updates. Thanks for keeping it current as well...it's nice to have a good "minute by minute" update of how the Derby's shaping up. Keep it up!
Last Years Angle
It always scares me when horses chase last years winning angle for this years Kentucky derby (i.e. your top two horses on the list) and those horses which are trying Synthetic to dirt because it worked last year....just dont buy it from a training and betting angle.
Good list though...very interesting read.
Thanks for the kind words
Thanks for the kind words Dede. I know that Carl Nafzger was a master at prepping horses in unique ways for big races. He prepped Unbridled on the turf before the BC Classic (which he won), and he prepped Street Sense on the synthetic before the Derby and the BC Juvenile (he won both). Nafzger had a theory that the way a horse ran over the turf strengthened his muscles in a way that set him up to run on the dirt next time out. I imagine it's probably the same effect with the synthetic, and I would advise against tossing any horses that prep in the Blue Grass this year.
Pyro
Go Pyro! I love watching this horse bide his time and then explode in the stretch. Very exciting.
re; Pyro
I bet you feel pretty confident after what war Pass did on Saturday at Tampa. I would find it hard to believe that he would still be on the Derby trail after that debacle.
War Pass
I'll be updating this blog in the next day or two with this weekend's results, but suffice to say that War Pass will be dropping a number of spots, possibly off the list. It will be interested to see what the Zito camp says this week. I imagine an excuse for his poor performance will surface. Stay tuned...
3/17 Update
I've updated the blog. Here are the highlights:
-War Pass drops like an anchor on the list after his abysmal performance in the Tampa Bay Derby. His owner says he had a fever. We'll see him next in the Wood Memorial.
-Big Brown catapults to #3. The more I watch him, the more I like him. He seems very much like Barbaro to me.
-Georgie Boy debuts on the list after his big win in the San Felipe. He's still never seen dirt though.
-Z Fortune drops off the list after his subpar effort in the Rebel, which wasn't a very good race.
War Pass
I understand that War Pass ran dead last, but if his owner says that he had a fever well maybe he should just get a pass for it. I am looking forward to betting him at good odds in the Wood.
I disagree
I disagree gullsea. I think War Pass was exposed as a fraud last weekend. We all knew an excuse was forthcoming, and I think fever is a pretty lame one at that!
Big Brown
What a great and insightful blog! I really agree that Big Brown is going to be the horse to beat. I watched his race on here and it was AWESOME! What a good looking horse. Go Big Brown!
Good stuff!
Your information is very thorough, and has helped clarify the picture for me somewhat. At this stage I agree with you that Pyro has to be the favorite, but I'm probably gonna end up going with War Pass nonetheless. Maybe I'll bet both of them!
I love the Superfortress!!!
What?
What is a superfortress?
And I agree with you about War Pass. I am gonna bet him big in the Wood!
Pyro
Did everyone see that my boy Pyro worked wel at Keeneland?
Here is the link:
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44168
Go Pyro!
Giant Moon
I was at the Big A for the Gotham, and I agree that Giant Moon should be given another chance. I am going to bet him in the Wood or the Illinois Derby, wherever he shows up.
UPDATE 3/24
Thanks for the kind words everyone! I have updated the blog with the huge weekend of racing ahead in Florida. There were no changes to the order, as the only Derby prep last weekend was the Lanes End at Turfway Park which was won by Adriano. He doesn't appear to like dirt surfaces and it is doubtful he will run in the Derby.
Florida Derby
I can't wait for the Florida Derby! Tomcito, Big Brown and Elysium Fields all to clash! This will be easily the best Derby prep so far :)
Right on
Me neither! It's cool that we have an exciting competition right before the Derby. Makes it easier to survive the wait until the real thing!:-)
UPDATE 3/30
I've updated my Top 10 list with the races of last weekend:
-Big Brown vaults to the head of the class after his sensational victory in the Florida Derby! He will be the horse to beat in Louisville.
-Elysium Fields drops off the list after his stinker in Florida Derby. Very disappointing.
-Tomcito moves to number 10 after his decent 3rd in the Florida Derby. He will improve next time out and should love longer distances.
Next weekend is really big with the Wood Memorial, Illinois Derby, and Santa Anita Derby!
Giant Moon
I can't wait to bet Giant Moon in the Wood this weekend! I hope the rain holds off because I heard he might not run if it is a wet track.
Ha!
Ha! You are throwing your money away if you bet Giant Moon inn the Wood! No shot.
Tomcito
I think Tomcito has a chance to pull a huge upset in one of the Triple Crown races. Maybe the Belmont?
Big Brown!
I've been saying all year that Big Brown was going to peak at exactly the right time! All my friends laughed at me, but it's good to see him finally coming through for me! Nice post, Dan.
Did you know
that the cab fare from Manhattan to Churchill Downs would run about 4 g's? I would advise flying instead. In the meantime I'm gonna head over to Aqueduct and place my bet for Pyro.
I don't think
Big Brown's gonna be able to win the Derby if he goes to the lead early. He can win, though, if he stalks the pace and then turns it on late. If that doesn't happen, Pyro is my choice.
Your answer
The Superfortress is better known as the B-29 Bomber, which was introduced near the end of WWII in the Pacific Theater (Japan). The first atomic bomb was delivered and dropped on the target Hiroshima in August 1945 by a B-29 named The Enola Gay.
I love the Superfortress!!!
Rain?
Thanks for the comments everyone. It looks like major rain in the forecast for the next few days here in NY, so expect the Wood to be run over a wet track. That means that Giant Moon will likely be a scratch. Bad news for his backers as he badly needs graded stakes earnings to have a chance at getting in the Derby.
UPDATE 4-6
I have updated the blog with the results of this weekend's races! Some notable changes:
-Colonel John moves to #4 with his big victory at Santa Anita
-Recapturetheglory debuts on the list after his Hawthorne shocker
-Tomcito moves way up to #5 mainly because after the top 4 the waters get very murky.
On tap this weekend are the Blue Grass at Keeneland and the Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn.
Big Brown
Big Brown is a well deserved #1. Could we have a Triple Crown winner this year??
No way
No Triple Crown this year. Big Brown is too lightly raced. I predict a bomb in the Derby...maybe Tomcito?
Pyro
All you fools are choosing other horses than Pyro. He is the best horse out there and I hope he runs well but loses this weekend so I get great odds in Kentucky!
Umm, no
Umm did you see Big Brown in the FLA Derby? Pyro could be on a rocket ship and he wouldn't be able to catch him!
Stupid Wood
Well I got to bet Giant Moon in the Wood and he was 25/1 and only lost by a few lengths. I thought I was gonna be rich playa!
I'm no fool
I even keep my cab meticulously clean.
Your cab
I am glad you keep your cab clean, but I'm not sure I would take a ride in it :)
Yeah
LOL I'm not sure I would ride in that cab either.
Playa Likes Monba
Playa likes a huge upset this weekend with Monba in the Blue Grass