So, I've been reading all the threads pertaining to the Breeders' Cup finals. I just want to first state that I'm not here to argue. I'm just here to point out a few things. Yesterday's debacle with the player being upset that his horse didn't win in a final caused all types of outrage in the community. Even though that's really not what I want to talk about, it is what motivated me to write this post.
There are several players, and this is with no disrespect to any of them, who feel the finals are not run the same way that the regular races are run. They have used words like "bouncing" or "leveling the playing field" or "just not right". Considering all of that, let's just take a quick look at today's finals. Don't take this wrong - I have watched hundreds of finals and have seen my share of crazy outcomes, absolute head-shakers, situations where I could not believe what was going on. Then, I said to myself - hey, that's racing. I have also seen more finals where the outcome has been absolutely perfectly predictable. After all of that, I want to bring up some finals tonight.
No Fluff - The winner of that final was The Big Bang, owner Modgraphix. When I look at the horse's record, he ran four races in the tournament total, achieved three wins and a third. To me - predictable.
In The Middle - This was won by a horse called Awesome One, which by the way, was a partially-nominated horse owned by Slavedave. In this particular case, Awesome One won every single race, all four races in the tournament including the final. Perfectly predictable.
Told Ya So - The horse Sack Time, owned by Racodo, started in the tournament four times and finished with two wins and two seconds. Perfectly predictable.
Go To Mama - In this tournament, the winner Pats On The Back, owned by Cardoso, started in three races and won all three races. Perfectly predictable. Yes, he only won by a neck and it was a tough finish, but it was perfectly predictable.
Hop In - In this tournament, the winner was Snowblind. By the way, congratulations Modgraphix for your second win of the night. And congratulations to the top five horses, all separated by less than a length - so this was a great tournament. But, the horse Snowblind ran five races in the tournament, had three wins and two seconds. Perfectly predictable. Yes, it was a close race, but perfectly predictable.
More BS - In this race, the horse Topscouse, who is owned by Topscouse (nice name there), ran a great race and prior to his win in the final, in his four other starts had his best finish being a third. Therefore, Topscouse was an upset winner, which happens all the time in real racing. The second-place horse, Iron Broom, had five starts in the tournament including a win, two seconds and two thirds, so finishing second was perfectly predictable. The third-place horse, Native Bell, in her five starts finished no worse than third, thus her final position in the tournament seems perfectly normal.
Get The Point - In this tournament, congratulations to Clifforddogs, who won the race with his horse Here Be Dragons. Here Be Dragons ran three races in the tournament, had two wins and a second. Therefore, winning the Breeders' Cup final seems absolutely perfectly predictable.
Call It Fun - In this tournament, congratulations to Kowmagik, whose horse Doctor Knows Best, won the final in a very tight finish. Doctor Knows Best in three races had a win, a second and a fourth. Though this is not perfectly predictable, it surely is far from a long-shot upset. What we have to consider here is the first four finishes of the race were all separated by a couple of heads. The second-place finisher, O So Sweet, who barely lost, in his three races had two wins and a second. Perfectly predictable.
Too The Limit - In this tournament, congratulations to Bigdog236, whose horse Gumcorner Doc raced two times prior to the Breeders' Cup final and the best he could do was a third. So, definitely not predictable but by no means an out-of-the-question result.
Go Now - Congratulations to Southcoast, who won this tournament with his baby horse called Clone Trooper. His horse raced three times in this tournament winning twice and finishing second once. Though he only won the race by a half-length, Clone Trooper was clearly one of the top contenders. The horse who finished second, Pollen Duster, ran a very solid second, just ran out of room and couldn't close the gap. It was a great race for both of these horses. Pollen Duster, in his three starts in the Go Now tournament ended up with a win and two seconds. If this was real horse racing, that's what I would call a stone-cold exacta box and very, very predictable. The third-place horse, BTW, Sir Punisher, who had a win, a third and a fourth in the three-race tournament, easily could have figured as a contender to win it all, let alone complete the triple.
What I'm trying to say is there really something wrong with the final races? I know Mike (Puddles) has spent an absolute fortune on a new handicapping program that will be out very soon. But, I and several other people here have told him he's nuts. Every day we look at the finals and for every final that shocks us, there's at least four or five that don't. I also think, in my humble opinion, that the trainers are getting better, the competition is getting better, players are smarter today than they work nine-ten months ago in the early stages of the trainer game. Savvy trainers are entering their horses where they've proven successful in practice to be a contender under similar racing conditions associated with the real tournaments.
Here's my prediction. The new $25,000 handicapping program will not change the attitudes of certain players. What it will do is show more correct odds and weight assignments for the Breeders' Cup final races. And, it will also get more players involved by them becoming professional weight handicappers in our game.
This game is tough. There are, no doubt, things that can be improved, but OMG, what we have improved from the last year until today is just off the charts. I think it was Ronwar who said in a post today that favorites win about 30% of the time in real racing. That number is pretty accurate. He also said that that means favorites lose about 70% of the time. There are so many factors that go into these races, so many things that affect the outcome and cause the favorite to lose or ensure the favorite to win - that's what makes it incredibly fun, exciting and emotional,
Yes, in the next 7 to 10 days, the new handicapping program will come out. Some people will like it for the reasons I've stated, others will still complain, some will say it has made a difference for the better, and I'm sure others will say it has made a difference for the worse, and still others will say it has made no difference at all. I guess what I'm really saying is that it really isn't going to change anything. Just my humble opinion from a guy that sits on the sidelines - and you know what they say about 'armchair quarterbacks'. This is just one person's humble opinion - actually it's the opinion shared by several of us here and I really do feel bad for my friend and boss who only has one objective in mind - build the best horse racing game in the world. He's been smashed so hard for all the wrong reasons, it's actually quite sad.
Twinberry73
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The Wind of Change.
Dabster:Thank you Twinberry 73 for a very astute summary of the studied Breeders Cup Finals.Allthough new to the game, I have noticed that the finals of some series of races are not the same distances as the qualifiers, i.e. qualifiers over 5F or 6F the final over 5.5F for instance, and this would quite easily throw up a seemingly unexpected result, although if when watching the qualifiers you spot a strong finisher over 5F, or an early leader over 6F, who weakens at the distance, and then if either of these types win then it's not the surprise it seems. In the 'States' racing result analysis is centered around 'split times' and an assesment of the going, and results in a 'time figure' being assessed for each finisher. However in 'Blighty' we use a system of weight per distance beaten, this results in a 'form figure.' given to each finisher. I believe that, please correct me if I'm wrong, that Andrew Beyer was the first 'Time Assessor' in or around the 1970's. Over here the 'Form Figure' was introduced by Admiral Rous in the 1600's. Over time it has been altered slightly to mainly compensate for the introduction of a faster maturing thouroughbred from the 'States', the all conquering 'Northern Dancer' blood line. If this is the way the game is going then bring it on! This will ruffle feathers a plenty! It most definitely will make the game more realistic. My only real issue with the game is the inflated figure allotted to Champions at or around 160. A top Grade1/Group1 winner would be rated at 135 tops. The top rating given to an animal racing in Europe was 142, given to Sea Bird II, a truely great French champion.With Much Respect Dabster.
April Fools Again
http://www.horseracegame.com/community/tournament-leader/219222
1 Probably Late bhdcwt1 246,400 Pts finished tourney #6
2 Checkout Line racodo 112,000 Pts finished tourney #9
3 Medivac depuppy3 53,760 Pts finished tourney #3
4 Mdm Mason Daniel danielcakes 35,840 Pts finished tourney #1
http://www.horseracegame.com/community/tournament-leader/219219
1 Mr Mojo Rising jaycat 176,440 Pts finished tourney #6
2 Tearful Goodbye modgraphix 80,200 Pts finished tourney #8
3 Valedictorian birdzilla 38,496 Pts finished tourney #1
4 Road Warrior modgraphix 25,664 Pts finished tourney #5
Absolutely perfectly predictable!!!
Result Analysis.
Dabster:The name of the game is getting winners. To do this in reality the most important things are: Going: Does the horse act on the prevailing going? Surface: Does the horse act on the race surface? Track: Does the horse act on the track conformation? n.b. extremely important in Europe as the vagaries of the tracks are enormous. Distance: Does the horse get the trip? Class: Has the horse the ability to win the race? n.b. achieved a rating on track comparable with whats required to win the race. i.e. form or speed figure, or shown comparable form/speed figure when tried against proven horses at home. Fitness: is the horse fit enough to win? i.e has the horse shown comparable form on track within last 28 days?Or does the horse show good form after a break of 28 days or more? Or are the trainers horses showing a good level of form in general? Or has the horse shown its well being at home? Jockeyship: Is the pilot capable? Draw: Is the horse drawn in a stall position where its capable of winning from? Pace: Is the race likely to be run in a way that will suit the horses racing style? If you can say yes to all of these criteria, you have something to bet on or as a trainer you have placed your horse in a winnable race! Now for the game, to be continued......
Now For The Game.
Dabster: As I eluded to in my previous blog, 'it ain't easy', in this game it is impossible to asses jockeyship, only the trainer has access to the performance report, only the trainer has access to private mode, because we have no access to the last two, all we have is access to past results. Here is a form guide to the races in question: THIS TIME I WIN Distance 8F Surface Dirt Going Fast Native Tribe 7.12 106.4 104.3 99.8 Madm Mason Daniel 7.11 NEVER Million Scouse 7.10 NEVER Checkout Line 7.9 100.1 Sixty Three Bug 7.9 114.9 114.3 108.7 Probably Late 7.8 127.4 Medivac 7.6 NEVER Sizzle 7.6 NEVER
Race 2
Dabster: ITS YOUR TIME: Distance 8.0F Surface Dirt Going Fast Mr Mojo Rising 8.7 119.7 Frozen Blue 8.6 131.5 127.8 117.5 Tag N Bag 8.6 128.7 97.6 Road Warrior 8.5 112.7 105 Roll Of Honour 8.5 121 116.4 Valediction 8.5 NEVER Tearful Goodbye 8.3 135.1 135 135 132.8 Go For Dakka 8.2 119.8 107.9 The ratings I used in these examples are achieved by the horses over and on the exact conditions of the final. The consistancy of the horses is computer generated as is the age improvement rate. Looking at the two examples, one has a logical end game the other appears a 'freak' result. If I considered this game to be totally random and that skill and judgement played no part then, as it stands I would take no part as it would be just a gamble. Roulette is not for me. Let us not look for faults within the game, rather we apply ourselves in bettering our understanding of its entirety and enjoy what it is, a challenge and CRACKING GOOD FUN!!!!!!! An Aspiring Trainer Dabster.
Recent form
Dabster mentioned something about racing within 28 days to maintain form. I agree and work this rule into my real life handicapping procedures. No big deal, but I use the 30 day rule. I usually (not always) give them a race when they've been away that long, or longer, before betting on them.
Anyway, I haven't payed attention, but I'm not so sure that this has even been worked into our game. Actually, I doubt if it has. I may be wrong. I don't know. Personally, I think it would be a good thing to work into the game.
The game is not total random. You have to understand thoroughbred horse racing and consider/use all of what, Dabster has mentioned in his posts. It is up to the trainer to properly place his/her horses. Class, distance, racetrack, track surface, track condition,workout patterns, jockey instructions, etc.
The Wood From The Trees.l
Dabster Good Man, Soundofrum, it's pretty close to the real thing, I've made some pretty elementary mistakes, but put that down to trial and error. the learning curve is pretty steep, but there within lieth the challenge. There is nothing to stop one just playing for the fun of it, but it also has a depth for more intense play. Like real 'horseplay' it's not the financial gain that's the be all and end all of it,(although I have landed some nice touches,) it's confirming your opinion when your right. No better feeling! Watching a race unfold, as you witness a strong pace and your on the closer, or your sitting on front with no pace, and at the 2 pole you go and the closers can't quicken, as youv'e nicked it. Pure magic! If only I could translate this to the game! Anyhow, patience, my boy, patience, time will tell. I don't have much in the way of class in my stable, but I've just qualified one for a final, win or lose the 'buzz' of just getting there is something else, anyhow as I was saying you have to see the 'wood from the trees,' and once you've done that, even a blind pig will find an acorn now and again! With Much Respect Dabster. [