Jockeying Tip: The Way to Win

tthegeneral25's picture

Okay I will tell you how to win consistantly while jockeying....
There are two parts to every race, the Start, and the Finish. I will cover the start and the end in the next installment (Please Note I am covering races of two turns or more)
The Start
The Start is probably the most crucial part of the race. In the beggining of the race you must accomplish two things.
A Get to a position to save ground
B Get to a position where you can win
When the gates open you must tell wheather you have to go 1,2, or 3 wide. The first turn is very important and I dont recomend going any wider then 4 horse lengths because of the energy it consumes. When you get to the preferred distance you mist figure 3 things
1. How far am I from the leader
2. How fast are the leaders going
3. Am I in a position to win the race
Number one is self explanitory you need to be anywhere from 0 to 7 lengths off the leader. To far and its tough to make up.
Number two is a bit harder. The speed of the race is important. A fast speed fraction is anything from 22 seconds to 22.9. If this is happening sit back about 2-3 lengths and wait for the leaders to tire before making you move. If its 23-23.9 its a fair pace and you are good at about 3 to 5 lengths off the lead. 24 plus is very slow and you can move even up to the leaders. If you accomplish all of this you have a 70 percent chance of winning.
The next installment will be about the end part of the race...

Comments

soundofrum's picture

Too far back???

I'm pretty much in agreement with you for the most part. Let me say one thing about being too far back. It varies with the horse and especially the distance. At most two turn distances, if I have a horse that prefers to run in the rear, I'm not concerned if he/she's 10 to 12 lengths back, but no more. However, if it's a marathon race, ( 1 1/4 miles and further ) I could let them drop back a bit further if that's their style of running.
I often ride a male horse from the 2008 file, in 2 mile races and drop him to the rear and win almost all of the time . I keep him back 40 or more lengths throughout, Like, Silky Sullivan. Yes, 40 plus lengths. Not kidding. At the final 1/2 mile pole, he's still 20 lengths back. At that point I start urging him on and he picks them up one by one to win going away. Very tough horse to beat at this distance.
Let me say one more thing. I've noticed that it's best, as they come out of the gate, for the horse to place himself, before you get too involved in controlling him/her. Works for me.

soundofrum's picture

Too far back???

I'm pretty much in agreement with you for the most part. Let me say one thing about being too far back. It varies with the horse and especially the distance. At most two turn distances, if I have a horse that prefers to run in the rear, I'm not concerned if he/she's 10 to 12 lengths back, but no more. However, if it's a marathon race, ( 1 1/4 miles and further ) I could let them drop back a bit further if that's their style of running.
I often ride a male horse from the 2008 file, in 2 mile races and drop him to the rear and win almost all of the time . I keep him back 40 or more lengths throughout, Like, Silky Sullivan. Yes, 40 plus lengths. Not kidding. At the final 1/2 mile pole, he's still 20 lengths back. At that point I start urging him on and he picks them up one by one to win going away. Very tough horse to beat at this distance.
Let me say one more thing. I've noticed that it's best, as they come out of the gate, for the horse to place himself, before you get too involved in controlling him/her. Works for me.

d_cell's picture

thanx!

i was pulling my hair out trying to figure these races out. these pointers so far in prt 1 r already helping me understand more. thanx again m8!

lele77's picture

yes, nice theories, but I've

yes, nice theories "thegeneral", but I've never seen you in a jockey tournament... :))

soundofrum's picture

d-cell

Here's another pointer. Get used to watching your energy and effort bars throughout the race. They'll tell you a lot and are an important part of the game, as far as winning.
Here's something that I've practiced with and improved my win statistics. Often you're on a front runner that wants to try to steal the race by getting out in front by, say, 4 lengths. You could let him/her do that and still win, but often they use all of their effort bar early and tire as they near the wire and finish out of the money.
Click on the backward button to slow him/her up, until the stalkers, who are right behind you, almost catch up. When you do that, you're saving energy/effort. View that "effort" bar and you'll see that you are given more "effort". This could make the difference between winning or loosing. IMO It works for me. I'm sure this is one of the keys to success. Practice and experimentation is a must.

dedewhale's picture

one thing which is never

one thing which is never discussed is what I call "Comparitive race riding". It wont work every race....but will help toward the end of the race. Before each race handicap the race at locate the QUALITY horses or favorites. adjust your strategy a little dependant on the running styles of the best horses so you have a fighting shot in the final 2 furlongs. If that horse is a deep closer and you have cheap speed up front save your energy...dont burn your early energy keeping with the cheap speed. Lay off the pace when you see the main threats making their move then pull along side the cheap speed as they are faltering and build a horse wall to block in the others horses behind the falling speed horses. Now make you move, quite often by the time that horses recovers from the blocking you have pulled far enough ahead to make up for the lesser talent.

There are other strategies for beating other favorites but it helps if you can identify 1 or 2 main threats and adjust your strategy to defeat them. Mind you nothing always works

magpie2's picture

I agree with this--except,

I agree with this--except, maybe, with the being far back thing. When I ride a far back horse, I'm usually about 15 lengths or so from the front, and gradually speed up from there, really asking for it by the middle of the final turn. I ask for full speed in the stretch. I agree that the beginning of the race is very important. I've lost quite a few races because I haven't been able to get into proper position early on. Nice piece--this will really help some of the newer people!

Have a nice day!

papajack's picture

Fasest Horse

I just played a quick start race. Nine nags and Miss Woodford, I rode her. She had the 5 hole, all i did was sit there, never moved her left or right, never asked her for anything. Won by 4, so sometimes all you need is the fastest horse, and don't fall off. I Wouldn't advise this as a regular strategy, but once in a while I guess anything works.

iaminpink's picture

The Way to Win

I can't wait to hear the rest. I will be waiting ! thank you!!!

26buckster65's picture

thank you tthegeneral25 this

thank you tthegeneral25 this has really help me

soundofrum's picture

Past performance lines

For you newbies, whatever you do, try your best to learn how to read and interpret the past performance lines for each horse. If you are a newbie and are lost and need help, feel free to contact me. I'll do my best to answer your questions. I have decades of experience, going back to when Citation was running. The trainer and tournaments are new to me, so I feel others who are active there would be a better source of info.
In ending, keep racing as many races as you can each day and night. This will build up your past performances for each horse.This is an essential part of the game.
I've read through all of the posts and could easily see that some very good suggestions are flowing in from those who know. Dede's mention of pace, in his post ,is an outstanding example. The fact that newbies are interested and responding to this thread is an indication of a need for those in the know to help those who don't know. Come on newbies. Get involved and participate on this thread.
You'll see that many are here to help you.

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