There have been some great horses produced in this game, some of them already retired and others still racing. It’s always that first great horse that everyone will remember. Lord Outstanding, owned by brianshaw23, is that first great horse. Managed brilliantly through his racing career, Brian figured out every possible way to keep that horse in top form, changing distances, identifying surface changes and finding the right spots to race him.
Lord Outstanding was clearly born to be a great horse, but it was the way he was managed throughout his career that made him not just great but exceptionally great. Sometime early next week, Lord Outstanding will be standing at stud in the breeding shed and I’m sure, overnight, he will become the most popular breeding stallion. I’m looking forward to watching his offspring race as the evolution of sires and dams continue to evolve in our racing game.
At this time, I also want to congratulate all the trainers who have been lucky enough to get top quality horses in their barn and, through their expertise, ensure that those horses achieve their highest level of performance and recognition in our racing game and community.
I had a conversation the other day with a friend of mine, and the discussion was all about thoroughbreds that should have been great, but were either mis-managed in their career, rushed too early in their career, or got injured and were never able to achieve the level of recognition they should have. The list of horses we discussed became quite extensive. And, just like real racing, you can find the same situation here in virtual racing. It’s never just the horse – it’s a combination of the horse and his owner/trainer that ensures maximum recognition and success.
Lord Outstanding was a great horse with a great trainer. I hope the servers don't crash the first day LO hits the shed. But if they do I will fully understand.
.. I didn't think SHE could be a stud.. But hey it's Puddles' game.. LMAO
Very nice post on a very nice horse and trainer.. Thank You..
Thanks also to Brianshaw and LO for what they have given to this great game.
I knew it... LO was a tranny with a fifth wheel. Only way to explain that stretch burst.
Maybe your saying that because of its high BSR? But if you compare LO to LF who was a BSR 123.1 then all the extra BSR LO got didnt do that much more with it. Just compare the 2 racing up to LF retire age of 6 2/3.
Both LO & LF won 11 Finals in a row during that span so why you think LO is the stud when really LF is since its a SIRE. Clearly LF was a better horse just because it was so many BSR lower than LO and accomplished the same amount of final wins and the same 11 final win streak as LO did.
Overall I dont think LO or LF are the best horse that this game has ever produced.
i dont think LO was so great. Im confident i can beat him running any day...lol...kidding guys im on my way have fun and enjoy the great game..
thanks puddles, hrf and all the marvelous trainers!!
Thanks puddles for the post :)
@jb I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or if you're actually serious. LF not does belong in the same sentence as LO.
LO: 91-73-5-5-2 %80 win (LO almost doubles LF's total wins)
LF: 71-40-14-6-3 %56 win
LO: $13,970,000 (LO almost doubles LF's earnings)
LF: $7,060,000
LO: 14 tournament wins
LF: 11 tournament wins
LO: 14 straight Breeders Cup Finals victories
LF: 11 straight Breeders Cup Finals Victories
LO: 25 straight races won on fast/sloppy surfaces together (almost double)
LF: 13 straight races on slop only
LO: 35 straight races won on slop alone (almost triple)
LF: 13 straight races won on slop alone
LO: 53-45-2-2-2 record on slop %85 win (by far superior slop record with 13 less starts, won 8 more races on slop with 13 less starts lol)
LF: 66-37-13-6-3 record on slop %56 win
LO: set records at 6.5-12F, won tournaments on 4 different surfaces.
LF: one trick pony, ran strictly on slop, couldn't lift a leg on fast surfaces, average SRs on slop.
There is no comparison between the two horses. I apologize to LF fans, I had to.
i dont think you can turn 75 BSR horses into shed horses no matter how good a trainer you are just sayin
YOUR STATS DON,T LIE & ON THE SURFACE DOES SHOW THAT THAT LO WAS THE SUPERIOR ANIMAL [26 BSR HIGHER]. SO WHY DID YOU AVOID RACING AGAINST LF AND EVEN RACED IN A G3 TOUR AND DID NOT EVEN MAKE THE FINAL ?
YOUR STATS DON,T LIE & ON THE SURFACE DOES SHOW THAT THAT LO WAS THE SUPERIOR ANIMAL [26 BSR HIGHER]. SO WHY DID YOU AVOID RACING AGAINST LF AND EVEN RACED IN A G3 TOUR AND DID NOT EVEN MAKE THE FINAL ?
Compare the stats till mine retired.
I aleady said LF & LO at age 6 2/3 is when LF retired had the same number of final wins 11. So if LF raced as far as yours did they probably have the same stats.
If a team wins 3 superbowls in a row then misses the playoffs, then the following season they win the super bowl then dont say they won the last 4 Super Bowls in a row. They say they won 4 of the last 5 super bowls. They would say the same about LO. LO won 11 in row then missed to qualify for the final which counts against and breaks the streak.
Here is what I am talking about but you say there not in the same sentence. Anything that 123.1 did better compared to all the BSR you had and they have similiar stats thru there 6 2/3 racing years.
LONGFELLOW BSR123.1
AGE RETIRED 6 2/3
Fastest SR 175.70 SLOP
FINAL WON 11
FINAL WIN STREAK 11
RECORD STARTS 71 WINS 40 PLACE 14 SHOW 6 FOURTH 3
EARNING $7,060,000
POINTS 2,312,744
QUARTER REWARDS 4&UP 1,000,000 PTS
TOTAL POINTS WON 3,312,744
LORD OUTSTANDING BSR ?
AGE 6 2/3
Fastest SR 174.30 SLOP
FINAL WON 11
FINAL WIN STREAK 11
RECORD STARTS 66 WINS 56 PLACE 3 SHOW 3 FOUTH 0
EARNINGS $10,082,500
POINTS 2,635,798
It kind of reminds me of Affirmed & Alydar.
Alydar, physically gifted, and superior to Affirmed as a racehorse in every conceivable way.
Yet, Affirmed knocked the crap out of him in that golden spring of '78.
Pure heart, pure courage, pure greatness.
@ ahijah I never "ducked" Longfellow. I didn't even know who that horse was until long after he retired, that's how quiet JB kept that horse. He never mentioned a word to me about racing against LO. I raced LO at Grade 3 when she was 6 years old, far past her prime and I was testing to see if she still had it on a fast surface and it turned out she didn't.
@ JB, let it go, there is no comparison whatsoever. Race them at their primes, LO easily smokes LF without breaking a sweat. Rewatch LO in her prime and handicap the races and let me know that you agree. You retired LF at 6 because the horse was barely winning. Compare their entire careers vs each other LO blows him away.
Marathon distance and we will see who wins. Bottom line LO won 3 more finals than LF only because it raced more tourneys. While yours was racing around 1 mile slop, mine was winning everything fro 9.5F -16F. I even dropped mine down to a distance it didnt prefer and still beat all the top sloppers of the game while LO was on a break. LOL
But everybody knows who the best horse was and thats Probably Late, LF cant even compare to that horse but I believe LF was the best horse for its BSR.
Your training skills are not that good, you managed to fuk up this so called first super horse by putting this horse on a surface that it couldnt even make the final and at the time you were running only this horse. Your the 1 horse trick trainer while I was running a stable full of horses and managed to get 4 of them to the shed all around the sametime.
JB you are quite sad, you have the mentality of an angry 12 year old kid. I raced LO from sprint to long distance and on 4 different surfaces, your one trick pony of a horse ran strictly on slop over the same distances every time yet barely won %56 of his races. As for the "quarter rewards" thing, it was not around for most of LO's career and I never chased it. As for getting 4 horses to the shed, I probably would've had 10 if I kept playing the game like I was before but I stopped playing 2 years ago. I don't understand why you're so upset, LF was a great horse, just not anywhere close to LO.
You raced LF under conditions very few other horses ran at yet compiled a pretty medicore record. Can you not accept LF was a one trick pony? You raced exclusively over one surface and over the same range of distances. Then you want to say I "ducked" you when I never even knew who LF was and when you never mentioned racing LO to me. Don't be ridiculous.
JB, as I already posted, here is a total summary of their careers head to head:
LO: 91-73-5-5-2 %80 win (LO almost doubles LF's total wins)
LF: 71-40-14-6-3 %56 win
LO: $13,970,000 (LO almost doubles LF's earnings)
LF: $7,060,000
LO: 14 tournament wins
LF: 11 tournament wins
LO: 14 straight Breeders Cup Finals victories
LF: 11 straight Breeders Cup Finals Victories
LO: 25 straight races won on fast/sloppy surfaces together (almost double)
LF: 13 straight races on slop only
LO: 35 straight races won on slop alone (almost triple)
LF: 13 straight races won on slop alone
LO: 53-45-2-2-2 record on slop %85 win (by far superior slop record with 13 less starts, won 8 more races on slop with 13 less starts lol)
LF: 66-37-13-6-3 record on slop %56 win
LO: set records at 6.5-12F, won tournaments on 4 different surfaces.
LF: one trick pony, ran strictly on slop, couldn't lift a leg on fast surfaces, average SRs on slop.
Now stop crying.
Puddles & you dont count or decide who is the best horse in the game. For one Puddles dont know or managed to train any horse or get one to the shed. You of course will say yours is the best no matter what.
But BSR to BSR you know LF is better horse than LO. You didnt accomplish that much more if you even did. How does a BSR123.1 post a faster SR than this so called Super horse? How does LF win the same 11 final win streak and same 11 final wins in the same time frame as this so called Super horse? LF had more earned pts in this span and LO had more earnings.
So I ask you what makes LO so much better than LF in the 6 2/3 yrs that LF raced in? You got nothing for this response and anything its sad there basically have the same stats and you had 20+ more BSR on your side. LOL
Stil I say the best horse so far is Probably Late, you however probably think LO is better. LOL
@JB you should know by now SR is not the end all factor in this game. So saying this horse is better than another horse because of what he accomplished based on SR is pretty stupid, LF was simply a good horse, nothing more. Why? He raced under conditions that very few other horses ran at. Basically, you ran under conditions almost one ever competed at, LF's SRs prove this, so many low and mediocre SRs in his PP. 2nd, your horse did not accomplish anything close to LO. You can't cut to a certain part of a horse's career and only count what you want to. That's like saying Vince Carter is better than Kobe Bryant because Vince Carter had a better rookie year. Career vs career, not even a contest. Even if we play by your rules, LO had a far better racing record (wins and win percentage) more earnings, more points (quarter rewards should not count simply because it was added to the trainer game long after the trainer game was already released). Yes, they both had the same tournament wins but that's just one factor. You raced exclusively over the same range of distance on the same surface every time. LO ran on and won tournaments from 6-12 furlongs and on 4 difference surfaces. LO was far more impressive. 3rd, as for "LF having a higher BSR" is a complete joke of an argument. LO in her prime won every race on slop so easily she was never pushed to go that fast. You simply have not either seen her races or handicapped them correctly. LO would run and win going backwards vs LF prime vs prime at any distance, when Mike releases the shed horse file it will be proven.
As for Probably Late, he was definately a top 3 horse of all-time. 1st? Arguably. He was more impressive on fast surfaces. But overall career statistics and accomplishments should count which puts LO ahead. LO unlike many other horses was able to stay consistent enough to complete at every single age. Instead of comparing certain parts of a horses' career, compare the entire career as a whole.
Btw JB, I should mention LO was undefeated on slop at 6 2/3 yrs, a perfect 33-33 on slop. GG.
Clearly Probably Late would be number 1. How many shed horses did LO beat? Probably late faced many and almost every final it ran and won it beat a shed horse.
You know LO faced a bunch of nobodys its entire career until the end. Everybody I talked to says Probably Late is far the best horse this game ever produced.
I rather have a LF anyday then a LO. I stopped racing LF not because the horse was washed up but instead the horse had nothing more to prove and beat everything it faced.
Puddles should have just mention the horse name and left yours out because really anybody could have accomplished what you did with that horse and some would have done better job.
Woo! So angry JB. I didn't know you had kept all this jealousy and anger saved up in yourself all this time. I find it hilarious you wait to share your thoughts with everyone about it on a post congratulating the record breaking career of LO, who has just about every record in the book right now. What a display of character. If you were this angry all this time you should've asked for a match vs LO in their primes and not wait until LONG after they retire to bring this up. Probably Late was one of the best/greatest horses ever, you can make the argument he's #1.
Don't get mad at me JB, this is the last time, here is the comparison by your own rules and a comparison by the REAL rules:
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LO vs LF up to 6 2/3 of age:
LO: 66-56-3-3-0 %85 win (A lot more wins with less starts, much higher win percentage)
LF: 71-40-14-6-3 %56 win
LO: $10,082,500 (more earnings with less starts)
LF: $7,060,000
LO: $186,713 per start (not even close)
LF: $123,859 per start
LO: 11/12 tournament wins (won as many tournaments with 3 less tournament starts, includes wins on synthetic, sand, fast dirt, sloppy dirt)
LF: 11/15 tournament wins (10 tournaments on just slop, 1 tournament win on sand)
LO: 25 straight races won on fast/sloppy surfaces together (almost double, includes wins on fast surfaces)
LF: 13 straight races on slop only
LO: 35 straight races won on slop alone (almost triple)
LF: 13 straight races won on slop alone
LO: 33-33-0-0-0 record on slop %100 win (undefeated on slop, won almost as many slop races despite 33 less starts)
LF: 66-37-13-6-3 record on slop %56 win
LO: set records at 6.5-12F, won tournaments on 4 different surfaces. Won a majority of her career races easily with plenty of energy left.
LF: one trick pony, ran strictly on slop, couldn't lift a leg on fast surfaces, average SRs on slop, all-out to win in most of his races.
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LO vs LF Total Career:
LO: 91-73-5-5-2 %80 win (LO almost doubles LF's total wins)
LF: 71-40-14-6-3 %56 win
LO: $13,970,000 (LO almost doubles LF's earnings)
LF: $7,060,000
LO: 188,784 per start (not close)
LF: $123,859 per start
LO: 14 tournament wins
LF: 11 tournament wins
LO: 14 straight Breeders Cup Finals victories
LF: 11 straight Breeders Cup Finals Victories
LO: 25 straight races won on fast/sloppy surfaces together (almost double)
LF: 13 straight races on slop only
LO: 35 straight races won on slop alone (almost triple)
LF: 13 straight races won on slop alone
LO: 53-45-2-2-2 record on slop %85 win (by far superior slop record with 13 less starts, won 8 more races on slop with 13 less starts)
LF: 66-37-13-6-3 record on slop %56 win
LO: set records at 6.5-12F, won tournaments on 4 different surfaces.
LF: one trick pony, ran strictly on slop, couldn't lift a leg on fast surfaces, average SRs on slop.
Not close. End of story.
Did you even read puddles' post? It was never about who was the best horse, it never mentioned it. Yet, you interpreted that it was and went on a tirade about who is better, that your horse is better, etc lol. Glad you finally chilled out bro.
I usually just skim what he says. Then sometimes I go back and read the whole thing. I do this with many post that go on for a long period of time. No offense but I didnt read some of your post you made back to my post. LOL
Well anyways congrats on making the shed. haha
LO is definitely one of the greatest mares that raced in HRF and I know a lot of people will be breeding to her when she does go into the breeding shed next week. I am so glad that I had the opportunity to race against her in the Wet Monsters tournament. Who knows if there will ever be another like her.
The Three Stooges could have gotten Long Outstanding into the shed. It took talent to get Longfellow there.
A Beatles song cause I don't really care;
... PSSST... Jb,
When Puddles said LO was the first great horse to make the shed, he wasn't saying she was the only great one... She was the first, as in born 10/08/2009 and being one of the two very first dominate horses in the game. Then since Wells Fargo was retired without going to the shed, Lo became " The First Great Horse" to make the shed... What are you drinking tonight ??,, Can I have some ?? LMAO
THIS IS WHY THIS GAME IS SO GREAT, the passion. [2 trainers making good representation for their horses without using a single derogatory comment or abusive language] Wonderful, both great horses. I will breeding 2 LO for sure, she will be the most dominate horse in the shed for years 2 come.
A 160 bsr is in some luck trainer's future.
Good argument by the 2 trainers, this goes back to comparing Jerry West - Jordan - Kobe and the next superstar, who was the best is a good conversation to have, i applaude you 2 for not crossing the line. I think LO was way before LF, both trainers got the very best out of those horses.
I think LF ran against better horses and the trainer did a great job, now on the other hand LO it looks like ran against lesser horses and had no real threat but if you take into consideration that if LO had ran against much better horses her SRs would be through the roof. I downloaded a few of her races and she was never really tested mainly in her prime.
Game Created (not born) will always make for a great and hotly contested debate. But is this perhaps just a diversion from the real day to day problems around here ?
Starfish believes the best game created horse was
WELLS FARGO
Primarily a turf horse - she once held 21 different Race Records at the same time - Coming on all 4 racing surfaces Dirt, Turf, Synthetic and Sand.
Beat every horse on every surface and conditions but dirt sloppy. Never ran against Lord Outstanding as LO would only run and could only win on dirt sloppy.
The only horse ever to be dishonored and forced retired, have the shed trainer payouts lowered and her trainer banned for life all just because he was a cheap spender and non VIP member.
Sadly this is true and will forever be the games darkest hour.
All this talk about who the best horse ever is. All I can say is this, if the horse ran mainly on SLOP then NO they are not the best horse this game has ever produced. I have bred over a thousand horses since I have been on this site. I have had maybe a total of 20 horses that could run on the SLOP. So the competition has to be weak compared to a dirt horse where all 1000 of my horses could have ran against this monster.
So in conclusion, if you win a majority of your races on SLOP, don't even mention your horse as the best ever. Probably Late won almost all of his on Fast Dirt where every horse in this game is eligible to compete.
Just my 2 cents.
@starfish, "LO would only run and could only win on dirt sloppy." Is a completely false statement. Perhaps you should do some more research.
http://horseracegame.com/community/races/16246/17533
http://horseracegame.com/community/races/16244/17533
http://horseracegame.com/community/races/15386/17533
http://horseracegame.com/community/races/10409/17533
All are current records on fast surfaces in the game.
how many shed horses has LO beaten in her career personaly i think thats how you judge whos the best by the competion it has beaten
I have a horse who just ran 130.6 on sloppy dirt. This horse has a BSR of 102. The horse is Pirate of Penzance and this was his first race. The argument about BSR as the measure of greatness any way you slice it is fallacious. There is BSR and there are talents. Talents lift a horse above its normal BSR. It is up to the trainer to find a horse's talent(s) if any.
I agree with usagame.Horses that race on slop are competing with a minority of horses. I have bred 5,800 horses and only a couple could run on slop.I prefer to breed to horses that have competed well on dirt.
What would you get if you breed Lord Outstanding and Longfellow? WOW What a slop monster!(I'm gonna have to try that one, be my luck i'll just get a DONKEY Monster.) LOL Good Job To Both of you, It's an accomplishment JUST GETTING A HORSE to the Breeding Shed. Everyone always thinks their horse is Best. They are BOTH the Best!
Personal bias aside no other horse has come close to doing what LO has done. Statistically and based on facts LO is clearly the best ever. There will probably be horses who overtake LO but at the moment clearly the best and it can't really be argued otherwise. 1st in earnings, points, tournament wins, overall wins, etc it's fact.
Your the only one that thinks LO is the best. As Puddles said before majority rules and you look to be the minority with 1 vote for LO.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts show me another horse so far In the game that has come close to LO's stats. There are none yet. Bias aside JB if you understand the concept. Once there is I'll be the first to admit it I don't really care lol
Less of all this tittle tattle, when will LO be in the shed, it is taking me 2 hours every day just looking, by the time the page loads, I have lost my interest.
Puddles, please put her in the shed now and lets get on with it.
Don't lie everyone, your all looking every day as well, even you JB lol
@jaycat that would be the biggest favor you could ever do for me, thanks buddy!
When you are on top of the heap with the best horse in the game, people like to throw darts at you . They think it isn't fair that they don't have the best horse, so they try to belittle the greatness of the one who is the best. Immature and stupid really. At least Brian sees right through these jealous trainers on here.
Lord Outstanding is the best period. Just look at her stats. One thing I can't figure out is it isn't early in the week, it is late in the week, and LO is not in the shed.
LO was the best on slop, but Probably Late was best overall. Probably Lates career was a MUCH tougher road than LO's. No jealousy here, just FACTS.
@racodo it's a good point to bring up, that Probably Late had a tougher road, but this game isn't like real life horseracing. In real horseracing you can never tell how good a horse really is or measure how good they can be unless they are tested by other horses. That concept works in real horseracing, but not this game. This game gives you race statistics that you can't get from real horseracing. LO would smoke horses on any surface running big SRs with 2k+ energy left. The ease with which she won was ridiculous. The only thing "better" horses would've done for LO is inflate her SRs even more. If you watch every race in her career and analyze them, the way she won was as good or better than any other horse in the game's history thus far. Yes, LO would suffer more loses on off-days as did many other great horses, but you'd see bigger SRs. Your point only makes sense if you have a "great" horse running mediocre SRs and barely winning, like Longfellow. This game provides so much race analysis you can actually base almost everything on statistics alone, for example "end energy" at the end of races. The ability showed by Probably Late on fast surfaces as almost matched by LO when she'd be sleeping crossing the finish line. Everything considered, from my point of view I can't see how you could put any horse thus far ahead of LO overall.
@kingsport, people take this game very personally because you pay so much money to play this game and it's so competitive. I remember back in the day a lot of people, including myself, would get angry and throw a tantrum in the forums after Finals we lost that we all thought we should've won. JB for example plays this game so hard and spends so much, he has a lot of passion for the game which is really cool. So much so he actually thinks LF is a better horse than LO which just blew my mind, you can't get anymore blinded by it than that. For me personally my passion for the game faded a long time ago, my basic goal was to breed a "super horse" after I saw Misty Images, that's all I wanted out of the game and I got LO so I was satisfied and happy and got a lot of entertainment throughout LO's career. There will be horses who pass LO's marks in the future, records are meant to be broken. All I've said was there is no horse ever, in all the x100000000 breedings done in this game, that have accomplished what LO has, it's not really close. People can make whatever excuses they want about it, but statisically and factually is what I base my opinion on.
Comparing speed ratings to the class of horses one runs against is a terrible comparison. Probably Late faced numerous shed horses in his career, tourny after tourny. Besides, its so obvious to those who have a brain, that the slop route is the easiest route to the shed, because theres not nearly the competition there as there is on fast dirt. Your horse was a great horse, no doubt.
By the way HRF, its WAY past the early part of the week. I thought this would be one deadline i could count on.
@racodo It helps my case that LO ran the SRs she did while sleeping across the finish line most races. As I said, better horses = higher SRs. There is nothing in this game that makes horses faster or slower in comparison to the class of horses they run against, this game isn't that technically programmed. LO never had the competition in her prime to really make her really run and that's a shame, but as I said before, you can take into account the ease and margin with which you win and the end energy at the end of races.
"Slop is the easiest route to the shed." Do you mean it's the easiest route to 14 million in earnings? LO was 33-28-3-2 on fast surfaces and 10-10 on slop from ages 2-4. But yeah, LO needed slop to get the almost 14 million in earnings, the game statistically turned her into a donkey on fast surfaces after her peak age, slop was the only surface she remained consistent on.
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